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#21
04-24-2006, 06:16 PM
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Re: poker tracker ruining online poker
i have another one - online poker and PT is the best thing that ever happened to live games!
discuss... 
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#22
04-24-2006, 07:35 PM
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Re: poker tracker ruining online poker
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Just curious, what are some of the more popular sites that do not allow PT? [/ QUOTE ] NO site has banned PT nor PAHUD. And if they want those programs to Not work, all they need to do is stop providing hand histories. (duh) BOTH programs are necessary to play effectively online, as you do not have the ability to see the face of you opponents. The scant info you get from player profiles in PT is HARDLY an "unfair advantage". it only give you the same information you can glean from a live game. Does PT give an unfair advantage? Hardly. PT does nothing to give skills to a player they do not have. Having PT does not make you a good player. And without PT you are just spewing chips into the darkness. AB
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#24
04-24-2006, 08:30 PM
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Re: poker tracker ruining online poker
I'll take your side for a second. If there were a way to ban poker tracker and all other related programs, I wouldn't be against it. Only because I feel that I have, of my own play and analysis, learn to crush small stakes SNGs. I understood the value of agressive bubble play, and the value of folding a big hand on the bubble, and many nuances of the game. To quote someone on this forum somewhere "I had stumbled into the method that 2+2ers use on my own".
Now take someone else who has not discovered this and may never have, and give him poker tracker. Now not only can he play as well as I could but better. He could learn to dissect every single +EV play in a very short amount of time with no real thought or analysis of his own. I can easily see why you would be flamed for a post like this, but to be honest I'm with you. Having said that I am a PT user, how could I not be given my little story. And it does no doubt teach many valuable things about poker, and it has made me a better player. The days of spending hours with a pen, paper, and a deck of cards are gone. And they were gone long before I was doing it. We can all hope that there will be a neverending wave of clueless players who will never want to use PT ever.
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#25
04-25-2006, 01:59 AM
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Re: poker tracker ruining online poker
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I think playing in a B&M is a disadvantage, just because you can't review your progress or lack thereof. [/ QUOTE ] This is wrong. b
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#27
04-25-2006, 01:07 PM
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Re: poker tracker ruining online poker
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[ QUOTE ] Just curious, what are some of the more popular sites that do not allow PT? [/ QUOTE ] NO site has banned PT nor PAHUD. And if they want those programs to Not work, all they need to do is stop providing hand histories. (duh) BOTH programs are necessary to play effectively online, as you do not have the ability to see the face of you opponents. The scant info you get from player profiles in PT is HARDLY an "unfair advantage". it only give you the same information you can glean from a live game. Does PT give an unfair advantage? Hardly. PT does nothing to give skills to a player they do not have. Having PT does not make you a good player. And without PT you are just spewing chips into the darkness. AB [/ QUOTE ] You argue that both programs are necessary to play online. Then in the same post you argue that PT doesn't give an unfair advantage.
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#28
04-25-2006, 02:07 PM
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Datamining should not be allowed
I'm w/ you on this... poker tracker is like the spell check of poker... i teach high school math, and i see kids mispell their names on occasion...
i don't have a problem with PT... after a few years of being stubborn, i hit a bad downswing and purchased the program for an instant self-evaluation of my last 30k hands... it is a very useful program, and helped me fill several major major holes in my game... of course i use it for evaluating other players as well... paying the 50 bux and not doing so would be ridiculous... however is still try to jot down some good qualitative data on players, when i see something that the 4 numbers Gametime+ puts up could miss... the true part that i feel is ruining poker is the data-mining capability... i play on PR and it is not capable of datamining, and i feel comfortable that an opponent will not have more info on me than i do on them... you should not be able to gain information on a player w/o game experience against them... doing so is pretty lame IMHO... w/ that being said, I do not fault those who datamine... as players, we look to exploit every edge conceivable, and if the site allows it, it's open season IMO... however, that is one thing that keeps me away from PP the majority of my playing time, despite the more lucrative small stakes games... it's up to the site to not allow datamining, as i believe they should not
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#30
04-25-2006, 05:05 PM
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Re: Datamining should not be allowed
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and i feel comfortable that an opponent will not have more info on me than i do on them... you should not be able to gain information on a player w/o game experience against them... doing so is pretty lame IMHO... [/ QUOTE ] Whatta load... So when a bud of mine comes in from out of town to play in my room and asks me about some of the guys that are sitting on his table before he actually goes to the table, that's wrong? Yeah, right. That's like saying that you both can't compare/share notes about other specific players over a meal in the casinos restaurant. Which is very useful when moving up limits in a cardroom when there isn't much player crossover between the limits but one of you has played the higher limit regularly. b
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