a 200-400 AK hand - Page 3

samoleus · #21 04-21-2006, 09:41 PM

how aggressive is your opponent? how loose is he? being out of position, my default line would be to check-raise the flop significantly (raising his 6K to about 17K) and then not putting another penny in the pot. of course, this is highly dependent on the quality of your opponent.

Bullet_Dodger · #22 04-21-2006, 10:40 PM

This board is too "active" to check. I probably make a pot-sized bet. If the board was rainbow, I "might" think about checking, but I'd still bet most of the time.

samoleus · #23 04-21-2006, 10:45 PM

what is your plan on the turn if your flop bet is called? what if the turn is (a) a heart; (b) a jack; (c) a brick. How do you proceed then?

I think a check-raise allows you to define where you are better. Also it may make your opponent think that he is going to have to defend with his stack (though in actuality I advocate not putting any more money in after a check raise in this situation).

Emsterdad · #24 04-22-2006, 12:41 AM

Personally i would have a VERY hard time calling that bet, aside from a stone cold bluff you are beaten and probly pretty bad.

Noone here even seems to consider the possibility of a reverse-bluff with something in the lines of QQ or 77 (probably not q-7 considering the pre-flop action except a Q-7 suited and a VERY loose call).

I would fold to fight another day, second to fold i would push all-in

luckychewy · #25 04-22-2006, 12:54 AM

How does moving in have any EV on calling? He calls with anything that beats us and folds anything that doesn't. Hero just donates by moving in if he's behind...

Jman28 · #26 04-22-2006, 05:06 AM

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my default line would be to check-raise the flop significantly (raising his 6K to about 17K) and then not putting another penny in the pot.

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Do you need AK to do this? Unless the villain checks behind on the turn and river, a strategy like this takes all the value out of your hand, right? So it doesn't matter what you have.

#27 04-22-2006, 05:19 AM

good point Jman...so you are pretty much saying that c/r has no value in this spot

c/c is OK but I think giving a free card if he's semibluffing is no good

c/f is def not happening

leading is OK...and I guess we can go broke here if he's really that agro since he may raise with a draw.

samoleus · #28 04-22-2006, 12:02 PM

No guys, the point is that you are giving up on the hand if he calls your check-raise. If he is a decent opponent, what hand is he calling a preflop reraise and then calling a hefty flop check-raise with? ... If you check-raise big on the flop and he calls you, I think you can comfortably give up on the hand. I still think check-raising the flop is the best line.

samoleus · #29 04-22-2006, 12:03 PM

Note of course, that his range of hands to call a check-raise with is much smaller than those with which he can call a lead bet (after which you will be more confused about whether or not you are behind).

HotPants · #30 04-22-2006, 04:02 PM

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... If you check-raise big on the flop and he calls you, I think you can comfortably give up on the hand. I still think check-raising the flop is the best line.

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Is there any hand which you might reraise with preflop and might not checkraise the flop with? If so, why don't you checkraise with that hand and stop checkraising AK a certain percentage of the time?