Omnipotence Doesn't Imply Seeing The Future.

[gmrankin]

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Yah, but it does mean you don't have to care. Anything happens you don't like, you can just change it.

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If your wife/husband/child gets killed in a car crash you can change it?

[diebitter]

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Yah, but it does mean you don't have to care. Anything happens you don't like, you can just change it.

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If your wife/husband/child gets killed in a car crash you can change it?

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I would think 'omnipotent' would include that ability.

[gmrankin]

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Yah, but it does mean you don't have to care. Anything happens you don't like, you can just change it.

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If your wife/husband/child gets killed in a car crash you can change it?

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I would think 'omnipotent' would include that ability.

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I'm sorry I must of misunderstood who you were refering to in your question/statement. When you wrote "Anything happens you don't like, you can just change it." I missunderstood who the "you" was.


An intersting article "What’s Wrong with Omnipotence?"

[Matt Ruff]

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Not if you(the omnipotent one) are included in that future.

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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06612a.htm

(The section you want is the one headlined "Distinctions in the Divine Knowledge." It's about the apparent incompatibility of God's omniscience and man's free will, but it's the same issue you're talking about.)


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Its similar to building a rock you can't lift.

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Nah, that one they've got an easier answer for:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11251c.htm

Note that the above is merely the Catholic take on the subject. Other schools of theology may have other approaches.

[soon2bepro]

Omnipotence doesn't imply seeing the future, but it does mean you have the POWER to do so.

[chezlaw]

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Omnipotence doesn't imply seeing the future, but it does mean you have the POWER to do so.

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but it also implies the power to change the future and also the power to create a situation in which the future cannot be seen.

chez

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chezlaw: If you're omnipotent, the only way to make something you cannot unmake is to devoid yourself of that power. Once you do that, you'll no longer be omnipotent

[chezlaw]

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chezlaw: If you're omnipotent, the only way to make something you cannot unmake is to devoid yourself of that power. Once you do that, you'll no longer be omnipotent

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I'm not sure what you mean by unmake but if you deny god the ability to do things that reduce his omnipotence then you are denying god's omnipotence.

A coherent meaning of omnipotence such as an omnopiotent being can do anything they want but in making p the case they make ~p impossible, avoids the problem I think.

So god can make the world in 7 days but that entails not making it in 8 days. god can flip a random coin but then cant predict the outcome.

and if god really wants to he can commit deicide.

chez

[hashi92]

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chezlaw: If you're omnipotent, the only way to make something you cannot unmake is to devoid yourself of that power. Once you do that, you'll no longer be omnipotent

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I'm not sure what you mean by unmake but if you deny god the ability to do things that reduce his omnipotence then you are denying god's omnipotence.

A coherent meaning of omnipotence such as an omnopiotent being can do anything they want but in making p the case they make ~p impossible, avoids the problem I think.

So god can make the world in 7 days but that entails not making it in 8 days. god can flip a random coin but then cant predict the outcome.

and if god really wants to he can commit deicide.

chez

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om·nip·o·tent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-np-tnt)
adj.
Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful. See Usage Note at infinite.

n.
One having unlimited power or authority: the bureaucratic omnipotents.
Omnipotent God. Used with the.

God is supposed to be able to do anything if he is omnipotent.

[Piers]

My dictionary gives omniportent as

having virtually unlimited authority or influence

or

1 often capitalized : having absolute power over all <Almighty God>
2 : relatively unlimited in power
3 : great in magnitude or seriousness

These definitions of omniportent do not appear to be the logically inconstant defintion that most people here seem to be using [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

You could say that “power over all” includes power over time, but not necessarily.