Hand vs stox

[Surf]

I 3bet the river. The only way he can figure to have a heart flush, given the action, is Ah8h - or maybe some weird KhQh freecard 3bet, which IMO is relatively unlikely.

Also, I would call his flop 3bet and bet-3bet the turn or c/r the turn depending on what comes off. If I think he'll be taking a free card often enough that a c/r is a bad idea I might be inclined to fastplay...I don't know that we're going to be able to get him to go off for extra bets the way more aggressive/worse handreaders would.

Surf

[poker1O1]

I've been thinking about this for awhile and I'm still not a fan of 3 betting. On the flop, we've clearly represented a set or a straight, and I'll even throw 2 pair in there. Now given all those hands, why on earth would he raise us on the river if he couldn't beat a majority of those holdings?

[poker1O1]

Furthermore, if we puts us on a hand like JT here, and then we 3bet the river, I really don't think he's calling

[kiffl]

I think you should just call here, because he could have lots of hand to beat you: 88,99, J9soooed(I don't know if this is in his range to steal from the button), or any two hearts. You don't want to have to call or fold to the fourth raise.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

It seems unlikely that stox can 4-bet without a boat and equally unlikely that stox won't raise this turn with a boat. Stox can easily imo be raising the river for value with worse, so I don't see why 3-betting is not the clear choice here.

-Jason

[flawless_victory]

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It seems unlikely that stox can 4-bet without a boat and equally unlikely that stox won't raise this turn with a boat. Stox can easily imo be raising the river for value with worse, so I don't see why 3-betting is not the clear choice here.

-Jason

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FLUSH

[Schneids]

Call. He's got Th8h sooooo often there. Plus on that board I don't think he waits till the river to make a fancy schmancy KJ (he'd raise the turn) or KK (which I think he never has when he raises the river) raise or something. He'd do it on the turn, way too much out there for him to "delay" his raise till the river.

[TheWorstPlayer]

wouldn't this be a good spot for him to delay to the river where he will be less likely to get 3-bet by a worse hand? (i.e. a situation exactly like this one)

[Schneids]

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wouldn't this be a good spot for him to delay to the river where he will be less likely to get 3-bet by a worse hand? (i.e. a situation exactly like this one)

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Or the river card freezes you up from doing it any more.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

Thanks FV.

What I was saying was that since stox likely WONT 4-bet a flush yet might raise the river with worse than QT, it makes sense to 3-bet for value.