Jackpots and dealer tipping etiquette question

[GrinningBuddha]

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Where do you deal?

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Casino Yellowhead in Edmonton, Alberta. We're regulated by Alberta Gaming and Liquor, so we do a few things slightly differently here.

[BCeagle]

Whats a customary tip for tourneys, I was always told 3-5% is this correct on say a $10,000 win 1st place finish, and does 2-5 also tip the same percentage.

[fishyak]

I'll disagree with "in line" comments. I play 2/4 at Commerce 3 weekends out of 4. On almost any size pot, I'd say the majority of players always tip $1, regardless of small pot size.

Naturally, don't tip a grouch or bad dealer as much, if at all. But if you are a regular, it pays to be pleasant to be treated pleasantly. I was having a bad run two weeks ago and the dealer gave me $21 as change for a $20 because he knew it'll come back to him on a better day and he was trying to make my bad day a little better.

When I'm running good, my tips go up. If I hit a lucky card to win - $2 tip instead of $1. Tipping for results and can make it a more fun experience to play for everyone, including the dealer, at your table. If I go to my grave and the worst thing people have to say about me is a gave away too many extra $1 tips at 2/4, I should be so lucky.

I'll make a statement that will probably generate heat in return. I believe that people who are stingy tippers never had to work where tips were a good part of their livlihood. It's been a long time for me, but now I do work on commission and know how it hurts when you do work hard and some jerk stiffs you. I see WAY TOO much grouchy and stingy behavior in casinos. I don't want to be the guy that everyone including the dealer dreads when you sit down at their table.

[AlienBoy]

FWIW - At Commerce, where the dealers are generally superior to The Bike, I'm more apt to tip $1 for pots over $10.

But hey, If I bet out with so much aggression that the 2 people that paid to see the flop fold (3 SB minus RAKE) - I'm still supposed to tip a buck? I don't think so.

Commerce and the Bike have the added "jackpot"rake. If that rake were not there (and I wish it wasn't) I'd be less stingy with the tokage.

At Binion's in LV, where the dealers are fabulous, and there is NO jackpot rake, I'll tip a buck even out of these tiny pots. But this is harder to do with a JP rake.

Thinking in terms of EV for a moment:

We say that someone is doing amazingly well if they clear 2BB per 100 hands.

In a live game with a shuffle machine, that's about 35 to 40 hands per hour.

Let's say for the sake of argument that you have to win 3 pots to make that 2BB. For a 3/6 game, tipping $1 a pot means a reduction to 1.5BB per hundred. That's a 25% reduction in EV. That sucks.

If the dealer isn't helping me by keeping the game efficient, enforcing rules, and otherwise keeping the "energy" at the table positive so the fish feel happy and bet into me, then he's further reducing my EV. And I should still tip the same?

Nope.

The dealer IS an important part of an advantage player's game, regardless of if the game is poker, craps, or blackjack. Dealers that are together and working in a way that betters my game deserve a tip for certain. Slackers that don't pay attention to the game, don't keep it under control or efficient, and that don't enforce the rules don't deserve the same sized tip.


And yea, I used to work in restaurants, so I do get the whole tipping concept.



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[QuadsOverQuads]

As a dealer myself, I always tip 10% unless the dealer has given me very good reason not to. For an exceptionally good dealer, I might go up to 15% for a medium-sized jackpot (up to $1k or so). That's my approach anyway.


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[Thremp]

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As a dealer myself, I always tip 10% unless the dealer has given me very good reason not to. For an exceptionally good dealer, I might go up to 15% for a medium-sized jackpot (up to $1k or so). That's my approach anyway.


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This could be why you're a dealer and not a player.

[AlienBoy]

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As a dealer myself, I always tip 10% unless the dealer has given me very good reason not to. For an exceptionally good dealer, I might go up to 15% for a medium-sized jackpot (up to $1k or so). That's my approach anyway.


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This could be why you're a dealer and not a player.

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ROTFLMAO!!!

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[bigfishead]

mind you, I have never gotten a piece of any JP, yet I have thrown 2 away preflop. So who knows if I would follow thru or not, but this has been my thought all along:

Give me a piece of that JP and I will toke a bunch. 10% easy...maybe more. I look at it as free money, a small amount that I may have contributed over the years in JP rake, since I dont play them hardly. But if I'm going to take down 15-30k in a 3-6 game, that dealer can take a week or 2 off IMO. I dont see why we wouldnt be more gracius for these large scores. It isnt the same as winning 12 bets one hand.

BTW, as a dealer, I have dealt many many many thousands of hands in those games over the years when I worked in places that had them. And I have never dealt a JP. So it's not like this is something dealers do alot of.

[The DaveR]

I won a table share at Commerce playing 9/18 once. I have zero recollection about how much I got or how much I tipped but I remember tipping and I remember the dealer seeming pleasantly surprised.

But more importantly, I remember one guy flipping out, calling his buddies, telling them he was now unstuck, and then getting stuck again.

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I won a table share at Commerce playing 9/18 once. I have zero recollection about how much I got or how much I tipped but I remember tipping and I remember the dealer seeming pleasantly surprised.

But more importantly, I remember one guy flipping out, calling his buddies, telling them he was now unstuck, and then getting stuck again.

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Same thing happened to me, including the stuck guy. Except I was the only guy who tipped the floor, the dealer, and the supervisior (I assume he was a supervisor). Suffice to say I got A++ treatment from that day forward, the brush still remembers me although it was 6 months later.

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