Absolutely heated about JC Tran situation at Foxwoods - Page 3

EWS87 · #1 11-08-2007, 02:15 PM

the ruling was totally correct...it just really pissed me off how the guy acted afterwards...lying p.o.s.

he coulda just been like yea i did muck them but a rules a rule im sorry man tough beat...not act like an embarrassment

Nairb · #2 11-08-2007, 02:16 PM

So if he had not drawn out on JC and said "Hey I mucked my cards" what should the floor decision be? What would he have had to do for this to have been a muck?

I guess I am baffled that if I am in an all in confrontation and muck my cards without saying "I fold" and they do not slide into the muck pile then my hand is still live even though I mucked them face down the dealer can flip them over and deal out the rest of the hand?

I am confused.

the_doantster · #3 11-08-2007, 02:18 PM

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I guess I am baffled that if I am in an all in confrontation and muck my cards without saying "I fold" and they do not slide into the muck pile then my hand is still live even though I mucked them face down the dealer can flip them over and deal out the rest of the hand?

I am confused.

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The TD said that even if you muck your hand, and it lands in the muck, as long as they can be identified they will be retrieved, LOL. Douchebaggery at it's finest.

budblown · #4 11-08-2007, 02:19 PM

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So if he had not drawn out on JC and said "Hey I mucked my cards" what should the floor decision be? What would he have had to do for this to have been a muck?

I guess I am baffled that if I am in an all in confrontation and muck my cards without saying "I fold" and they do not slide into the muck pile then my hand is still live even though I mucked them face down the dealer can flip them over and deal out the rest of the hand?

I am confused.

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In a tournament yes, your hand is still live as the rule is both hands must be shown. In a cash game you have mucked.

Victor · #5 11-08-2007, 02:22 PM

seems like the correct ruling but i dont know the rules too well.

regardless, that dude is a total idiot.

Nairb · #6 11-08-2007, 02:23 PM

I guess I am just dense or my brain is not working right today but I still am confused about this. So the guy raised and JC pushed all in. At that point the other guy pushes his cards in like a muck but neither says Call or Fold. The dealer has the option of making the decision for the player?

I understand both hands have to be shown but the other player did not call the all in so the dealer made the decision for him. What am I missing?

AntonHeat · #7 11-08-2007, 03:27 PM

Simple Cash game this is a fold, MTT if cards can be found you must play them, like floor said.

cero_z · #8 11-08-2007, 02:09 PM

Yeah,

It REALLY sucks to be JC in this spot, but actually, OP, you are wrong. Tournament rules state that all-in players must have their hands turned faceup, and this is for good and obvious reasons. In a cash game, this would be a travesty, but here, it's just a terrible beat (2 beats rolled into 1) for JC. Nice to see the dipwad who won the hand get eliminated, though; he is blatantly lying when the floor comes over.

todd1007 · #9 11-08-2007, 06:02 PM

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Yeah,

It REALLY sucks to be JC in this spot, but actually, OP, you are wrong. Tournament rules state that all-in players must have their hands turned faceup, and this is for good and obvious reasons. In a cash game, this would be a travesty, but here, it's just a terrible beat (2 beats rolled into 1) for JC. Nice to see the dipwad who won the hand get eliminated, though; he is blatantly lying when the floor comes over.

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exactly right. if you watch the video, he starts to push his chips over to JC, and then pounds the table when he sucks out. whata douche. but that is what you should expect when you play donkaments.

raptor517 · #10 11-08-2007, 02:44 PM

i mean.. in all honesty, i dont see why JC is really upset either about the ruling, i can see being upset about the beat ofc.. i mean yea the guy threw his cards in, but its an all in situation where he was called, and its a TOURNAMENT. if this was a cash game i think it would be different, and in that case his hand should be mucked and there wouldnt be any controversy. but because of the way tournament rules are set up, i think the dealer needs to flip the hand up.