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#21
10-14-2007, 02:30 PM
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Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is not a wa/wb situation on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] How is it not? He could have a 5, he is loose and agressive, and open limped the CO.. Maybe he has a Q or a smaller pocket pair, maybe he has air, maybe he has a flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] you just answered your own Q [/ QUOTE ] By my reckoning, we are WA/WB every single one of those hands except the FD. WA: PP's have 2 outs, Qx has 2 outs, air has no outs. WB: If he has 5x, QQ or AA, we have 2 outs. |
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#22
10-14-2007, 02:45 PM
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Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player
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WA: PP's have 2 outs, Qx has 2 outs, air has no outs. WB: If he has 5x, QQ or AA, we have 2 outs. [/ QUOTE ] really no need to include QQ/AA. there is almost always the potential of being wa/wb on a given board. no need for pot control-- we are wa much more often than wb here, esp against this player. unlikely that he is folding to a 3bet on this flop whether if it is w/ Qx, or clubs; sucks for us if he has like 75s or something. |
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#23
10-14-2007, 03:03 PM
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Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player
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[ QUOTE ] WA: PP's have 2 outs, Qx has 2 outs, air has no outs. WB: If he has 5x, QQ or AA, we have 2 outs. [/ QUOTE ] really no need to include QQ/AA. there is almost always the potential of being wa/wb on a given board. no need for pot control-- we are wa much more often than wb here, esp against this player. unlikely that he is folding to a 3bet on this flop whether if it is w/ Qx, or clubs; sucks for us if he has like 75s or something. [/ QUOTE ] You are right about the AA/QQ now that I think about it. Very small parts of his range here probably. But if he has Qx or a small pp, why risk losing him with a 3b shove? This line from this type of aggro villain is pretty common with a weak pp or Qx and I think he folds most of those hands to our push - AQ, KQ and JQ might call, but probably not many more hands than that, and probably even those hands fold sometimes (villain might be aggro, but I don't think we know that he's a moron). I think the thing that is confusing me here is that if we put his range at {small PPs, Qx, 5x, air, FD's}, how big is the FD in that range? Surely pretty small. And shouldn't we consider that villain's equity plunges on the turn with a FD, so that might be a better place to make him pay? Edit: Actually, AQ and KQ probably aren't that big in his range here either given preflop. |
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#24
10-14-2007, 03:34 PM
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Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player
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I think the thing that is confusing me here is that if we put his range at {small PPs, Qx, 5x, air, FD's}, how big is the FD in that range? Surely pretty small. [/ QUOTE ] w/stats of 36/15 he can have plenty of fd's. i imagine his limp calling range has plenty of suited connectors (maybe some suited trash). not that he never c/r's w/a low pp here, but he's more likely doing it w/a draw. |
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#27
10-14-2007, 05:13 PM
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Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player
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How is it not? He could have a 5, he is loose and agressive, and open limped the CO.. Maybe he has a Q or a smaller pocket pair, maybe he has air, maybe he has a flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] I think you answered your own question |
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#28
10-14-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player
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[ QUOTE ] this is not a wa/wb situation on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] PSA: One Line Answers [/ QUOTE ] PSA: One Line Answers |
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#29
10-14-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player
This would be wa/wb if the 5c was a h or d. As it is, he could literally have any two clubs so 3 bet the Flop. He'll probably push his draw and any decent queen (along with a 5 of course). As played, I would call the Turn and pray that he checks the River. He doesn't so fold.
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#30
10-14-2007, 08:32 PM
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Re: 50nl KK vs very agressive player
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is not a wa/wb situation on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] PSA: One Line Answers [/ QUOTE ] PSA: One Line Answers [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, great job. You probably think this is a really clever reply. But it's not. It is the reply of a 6 year old. It is the most obvious, most tedious, most unoriginal reply you could possibly have posted. So why don't you fkk off to BBV if you want to fill up your pathetic nerd life with internet smart-assness? This is a poker thread about poker hands - [censored] offf and waste your tedious [censored] somewhere else and leave this place to people who want to talk about poker. Fking moron. Boring Tedious Unfunny k n u t |
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