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[Unknown Soldier]

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i fold the flop, rio is just ridic

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not if you plan to put no more money in

[cooker3]

I just fold the flop and now I prefer a fold a on the river as well.

[Noam Chomsky]

played fine. river is actually vv close so I call cause I'm a station and I need to develop some reads on this guy if I'm planning on staying at this table or posting any more hands against him. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

[Jay Riall]

Preflop is fine. 4bet is fine too, but saying calling is bad is wrong. River is a fold readless and its not close.

[Marlow]

I'm down with folding the flop. As played, the river too.

Given that you have no reads, calling the flop puts your stack at risk based on a guess. I suppose that this pans out sometimes, but you absolutely never want to get it all in unless you spike 1 of 2 outs on later streets - and you've just committed 25% of your stack, with exactly 1 PSB left. You also have zero initiative right now.

I'm curious to hear a deeper explanation of the decision-making process for those advocating a call on the flop.

[fingersmith]

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I'm curious to hear a deeper explanation of the decision-making process for those advocating a call on the flop.

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call because he's cbetting this flop with 100% of his 3betting range, and many people just shut down at this point when called. then we can check it down and win with a high frequency. as part of that plan, we should fold the river, though.

[traz]

I'm in the "4bet pre usually, this is fine if you fold river" camp

[tommygunne]

4 bet pf.
Flop fine.
Fold river.

[Marlow]

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I'm curious to hear a deeper explanation of the decision-making process for those advocating a call on the flop.

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call because he's cbetting this flop with 100% of his 3betting range, and many people just shut down at this point when called. then we can check it down and win with a high frequency. as part of that plan, we should fold the river, though.

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Thanks for the explanation. I see what you are saying, and I'd agree if we had any reads that he plays this way. However, without more information I prefer the safe, low variance, ABC play. Could be just a style difference, though. Personally, knowing that "most players do this" isn't enough for me in this situation.

[4_2_it]

Everything looks okay as long as you fold the river.

(Pre-flop 4-betting is fine, but I assume you called looking to get money in on non-A flops.)