If morons didn't think online poker was rigged... - Page 3

theblitz · #21 03-02-2006, 03:34 PM

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this was a trojan horse designed to show the victim's hole cards, access the account,

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Never thought of that possibility.

Always assumed it was just a plain old scam.

Gives full meaning to : "Hoisted on your own petard"

RikaKazak · #22 03-02-2006, 03:36 PM

When I run into this argument I always say: "you think party is rigged? Give me a break. They're a billionaire dollar company and you think they'll risk it all just to steal your $100, LOL"

(obviously I'm assuming if they do get caught stealing people's $100 (by rigging it and increasing rake) they'll go bankrupt cause everyone will cash out and leave, also they're traded in london so lots of regulations etc. and lots of people "peeking in" to the business and its practices)

MicroBob · #23 03-02-2006, 03:45 PM

many will tend to counter-argue that they don't think they are 'intentionally' doing it...but that you can just tell that cards online aren't shuffled the same and those flops don't 'feel' the same as a hand-dealt flop.

I overheard several conversations to this effect on the PPM cruise last year. It was weird and surreal.

"I think party's flops are usually okay...but I agree that sometimes the server there must be wearing down because you can just tell when the same flop is pretty much coming over and over again.
But have you played on UB?? The flops there are always messed-up and aren't even CLOSE to live flops."

Stuff like that.

I'm fascinated by the psychology.

We just had a guy post in the zoo that he is sick of losing to 60/4/1 type players because Party sets it up to keep the fish around longer.
I found it interesting that a guy could be familiar with the type of stats that a bad player would have..and then still believe that the cards are all rigged against him.

Just as I was impressed at the conversation I observed on one table between a couple of guys who bonus-whore several sites each. The players were 44/11 and 38/2.

wonderwes · #24 03-02-2006, 04:08 PM

College students are the life blood of new players for these sites.

UATrewqaz · #25 03-02-2006, 04:18 PM

The idiots at live play almost ruin the experience for me.

It takes every ounce of my restraint to not get up and grab them by their shirt collar and start b*tch slapping them.

Example?

Playing in a live freeroll NL tourney (so yes everyone was pretty terrible) and some lady at the table had just gotten back from Tunica and was telling everyone about it.

She of course played limit and had never played limit before and sadi she lost money (SHOCKER!)

and like 2-3 guys at the table were like "That's not real poker, it's so stupid, it's not real poker at all"

some older gentlemen at the table mentions "Well I think it has different strategy. I have Super System, ya know Doyle Brunson's book, and it has a chapter on limit" and the guys (shaved head high school drop out tatoo'ed looking types) again insisted how limit "wasn't real poker" and was "stupid" (that was about the extent of their argument)

They prefered NL where they could do expert things like call reraises all in with A4o

MicroBob · #26 03-02-2006, 04:23 PM

I agree that the idiots are aggrevating.

It's probably why I don't bother playing much live.

I ignore them for the most part of course.

It's nice if the idiotic conversation at the table can be about something other than poker.
Talking about the weather is more interesting than talking about poker with total morons.

FWIW - Obviously there are 2+2'ers who think similar stuff regarding NL vs. limit.

Our House · #27 03-02-2006, 05:11 PM

About 9 months ago.....

A friend of mine was on a hot streak. He was a 42/21/2.0 playing 5/10 and 10/20 6 max games. He imported about 20,000 hands into PokerTracker and was running at about 3BB/100 for that span. He also used gametime+ for stat overlay on the players.

One week, variance hit him in the wallet and he lost everything he won. After that streak, he deposited money and continued to play without using PokerTracker or gametime+ anymore. His reasoning was that those programs are jinxed and make him run bad.

There are many stories from many players about many things. There is only one truth though.

Vuron00 · #28 03-02-2006, 05:45 PM

I think there are a huge number of potential players that don't sign up online because they think it's "illegal".

Whenever anyone finds out I play online, I know there is about an 80% chance that they'll ask "isn't that illegal".

MicroBob · #29 03-02-2006, 06:00 PM

they'll be cautious about that...and they also want to know how you put your money in there and how it can you possibly know that you're going to get your money back if you win anything.

Taking the plunge and actually depositing is the biggest step.

My neighbor has sometimes played on the play-money poker on yahoo (or somewhere like that) but after I told her how little it cost to play for real money she still didn't even want to make a $25 deposit on Stars to play .01/.02 poker where the most she could win or lose in a day was a dollar.

Galilee · #30 03-02-2006, 07:16 PM

I have a friend who told me that he had written a program that predicted the shuffling algorythmn of one of the smaller online cardrooms. Now that he could forsee the board cards in advance he took the site for £250,000 before they noticed how lucky he was getting. They had no proof, but still banned him from playing ... but not before he cashed his winnings and used them to buy a house in Leicester and a Toyota.

What do you say to someone like that? It's like when someone tells you they've actually seen a ghost - if you call them a liar to their face then it's you who looks bad.