IntelliPoker -Pokerstars plans to educate the fish?

[Mischman]

Wheres that dude that started a thread bitching about someone offering poker book advice at a table, im sure me and him will get along.

TBH, im very surprised that people are not totally agaisnt the fish having learning material right in front of their face for free. Even if most dont use it, if it only helps a small number get good, thats a small number that are no longer fish...

continue flaming....

[MicroBob]

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Fulltilt does just about the same thing and the play there is worse then stars imo.

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That's pretty much what I was thinking.
FT sends you freaking strategy articles via e-mail too. They practically try to hit you over the head with some reasonable advice to stop sucking so much.

PokerRoom has forums too I think.

Just because Stars is going to have some forums where strategy is discussed does not mean that the fish are suddenly going to become good.

[spkid]

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When Dr. Thorpe's blackjack book first came out the casinos panicked.

Then they realized that only a tiny percentage of blackjack players would ever learn to properly play the game, and all the others would continue to ignore the expert advice and play their own game.

Over 30 years ago I sat down at a blackjack table in Las Vegas and there were basic strategy cards on the table. The dealer said they gave free blackjack lessons several times a day, and dealers were instructed to always truthfully answer questions about basic strategy.

The fish still lost.

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Thats becuase basic stategy alone will not make you a winner at the blackjack table. It will only make you lose less. You have to count cards to win.

The reason that even good counters still can't beat the blackjack games is because the stinkin casinos go to great lengths to stop them. They use automatic shufflers to enable them to shorten the penetration (heh heh, I said "penetration")into the deck without losing precious playing time, and when they do catch a counter they ban them from the casino and put his name in a book like a criminal.

Ok, I'm done being bitter about no good blackjack games anymore.

Anyway, of course making people think they can play better is a great thing for the games!

You don't really think that people who wouldn't ever take any initiative to learn the game by reading or coming to this site are suddenly going to become diligent students of the game because PStars will now have someone help teach them do you?

No. People who play the game for fun (namely fish) will always play for fun. They have regular jobs and play poker to pass time and blow a few bucks.

This "school" will only serve to attract more hopefuls like many at this site, some whom will become great players, some whom will tread water, and the majority of whom will never fully understand the game and leave the game and their money behind.

[DWarrior]

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When Dr. Thorpe's blackjack book first came out the casinos panicked.

Then they realized that only a tiny percentage of blackjack players would ever learn to properly play the game, and all the others would continue to ignore the expert advice and play their own game.

Over 30 years ago I sat down at a blackjack table in Las Vegas and there were basic strategy cards on the table. The dealer said they gave free blackjack lessons several times a day, and dealers were instructed to always truthfully answer questions about basic strategy.

The fish still lost.

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Thats becuase basic stategy alone will not make you a winner at the blackjack table. It will only make you lose less. You have to count cards to win.

The reason that even good counters still can't beat the blackjack games is because the stinkin casinos go to great lengths to stop them. They use automatic shufflers to enable them to shorten the penetration (heh heh, I said "penetration")into the deck without losing precious playing time, and when they do catch a counter they ban them from the casino and put his name in a book like a criminal.

Ok, I'm done being bitter about no good blackjack games anymore.

Anyway, of course making people think they can play better is a great thing for the games!

You don't really think that people who wouldn't ever take any initiative to learn the game by reading or coming to this site are suddenly going to become diligent students of the game because PStars will now have someone help teach them do you?

No. People who play the game for fun (namely fish) will always play for fun. They have regular jobs and play poker to pass time and blow a few bucks.

This "school" will only serve to attract more hopefuls like many at this site, some whom will become great players, some whom will tread water, and the majority of whom will never fully understand the game and leave the game and their money behind.

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Full Tilt also has a strategy forum.

[6471849653]

I am not against the poker schools under the ".nets," but it should be illegal to offer strategy stuffs (some detailed) on the .com sites, like starting hands by position, if it's a raised pot or not, and how to play post-flop. FullTilt even sends stuff like that on emails. It's next to the same thing as going to any casino and there being those on papers or so, like a Blackjack basic strategy (I think some sites have those too offered), or even the dealer telling what hands to play and recommends folding post-flop in a variety of situations.

It's supposed to be a neutral place and not some place where one's competition is improved; it goes under the name "collusion." If the casino itself wants to collude against itself (e.g. Blackjack), that's its own business, but it has no moral right to collude with the worse players, educate our competition; it took me some years to find and learn stuff that's offered on some .com sites - that's stealing time, money and energy from me. Under better laws I would win the case against them and get compensations.

Offline (and online) casinos may have poker books that they sell on their possible stores; that's not as bad but should also not be done. As an argument I could, when playing poker there, sometimes offer basic strategy cards for e.g. Blackjack players, and there's nothing the casino can do about it (though they could kick me out but the law will protect me, though it's not what usually is done, but one should just go to the police as all one did was offering basic strategy cards for some other fellow players). Stuff like that is usually the only way to do anything about things that are against my rights when the laws won't protect me. There's maybe nothing I can do about the online casinos here.

p.s. I would like to see the site rake tables also showing the average rake per hour, or so, one is paying playing this or that limit. But the only sites that are a sort of doing that are the ones offering more or less rakefree games. Now, what kind of a business is not saying how much it costs for its customers to play there? That's the single most important information that should be posted on their sites. Not posting it is illegal, as it's stealing, though not under the current laws.

[MicroBob]

"The reason that even good counters still can't beat the blackjack games is because the stinkin casinos go to great lengths to stop them."


Similar to poker-players...the number of card-counters who think they are good is FAR greater than the number of card-counters who actually are good.

[RoundTower]

this is great news, ty Stars

[ChoicestHops]

Seriously, who cares? There are so many forums, let alone books that teach poker. 2+2 is not some secret haven for poker players. People still play bad.

[apefish]

They could allay fears by simply hiring gambler2K4 as an instructor.

Someone mentioned the difference between a poker school like this and people mentioning 2+2 in chat.
The difference to me goes something like this...
Bad player sees pokerstars school info- thinks "hmm... i can learn to play mtts in order to play more real money, cool."
Bad player sees morans chatting up their stats, sites, and berating them and thinks "this really isnt very fun, and apparently there are people who take this very seriously and I'm really not up to that. Secret Handshake [censored]."

In short, the more you mention 2+2 the more likely 1) you alienate players thru berating or intimidation 2) some will actively seek to improve and realize there are players taking it seriously and 3) others will view it as some secret handshake society of colluders.

At least the stars school will be in plain sight for anyone who wants to learn, without risking intimidating the fish off the tables.

Fish find safety in schools. LDO.

Edit: one last point. I would much rather have people think they are learning most or all of what there is to learn thru a site like Pokerstars instead of coming here and investing real time into becoming good at the game. How hard is this for people to see?

[BradleyT]

"In the near future all of the activities of our members, including the regular visit to the IntelliPoker™ website, the writing of comments and evaluations, as well as other contributions, will be recorded in a points system very similar to PokerStars' FPP-program. These credits can be traded in for PokerStars merchandise articles, buy-ins for special online and live tournaments, or even real cash into the PokerStars account."

MicroBob can become an IP-SNE.