JTo otb in straddled hand

[bernie]

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it's just a stakes increase.

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...except that the post-flop betting amounts don't increase.



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Key point.

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[Scarmiglio]

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Calling a straddle is not the same as calling a raise.

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Odds-wise, it is.

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That may be, but my point was that it's different from calling a raise. While you may have a harder time recouping your initial investment on the later streets due to worse odds, you are less likely to be a big dog on your initial investment.

[bernie]

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Calling a straddle is not the same as calling a raise.

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Odds-wise, it is.

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That may be, but my point was that it's different from calling a raise. While you may have a harder time recouping your initial investment on the later streets due to worse odds, you are less likely to be a big dog on your initial investment.

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Your odds still suck. They just suck a little less. Still not worth going into the flop with. Way too much value being given to JTo here. At best, I'd give it about break even. I think even that's a kind estimate.

Or you would go into a capped pot with a bunch of loose guys who'd play just about anything with JTo? Say, capped by UTG+2(could even say all 3 raises were blind raises) and 3 cold callers to you.(That's a 6 way pot so far if blinds don't come along)

And if you are going to come in with that, how low will you go here? 98o?

JTo is a garbage hand to pay 2 bets with preflop multiway regardless of how it got to 2 bets.

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[Fnord]

Alright let's talk ranges!

Easy 3-Bet: AKo, ATs+, KQs, TT+
Don't hate a call: AQ, 88+, KJs, QJs
Call: AJo, KQo, J9s, T9s, all other suited broadways, suited Aces and pairs

~15% of hands.

GAMB00L: Small suited connectors, offsuit broadways, J8s, Q9s, etc.

[Mook]

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Your odds still suck. They just suck a little less. Still not worth going into the flop with. Way too much value being given to JTo here. At best, I'd give it about break even. I think even that's a kind estimate.

JTo is a garbage hand to pay 2 bets with preflop multiway regardless of how it got to 2 bets.

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Well said. I've gotta wonder - all those people who are playing JTo against a straddle, with a probable raiser or two still to speak ... what are you folding here? I would be willing to bet that a trash hand like 53s, in this spot, has more equity than JTo ... and while I wouldn't play either for 2 bets, if forced to choose I'm taking the former every single time.

I honestly can't think of a spot outside the blinds where I'd play an offsuit connector lower than KQo for more than one bet in a low-limit game, ever.

Mook

[bernie]

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I honestly can't think of a spot outside the blinds where I'd play an offsuit connector lower than KQo for more than one bet in a low-limit game, ever.

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Good point.

I tried to think of a spot myself. I couldn't come up with one.

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