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Old 10-20-2005, 06:25 PM
Melchiades Melchiades is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand, late...

I clicked the wrong option in the poll, put I push here 100% of the time. Triple up.
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Old 02-12-2006, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: JJ hand, late...

Time to race.
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Old 02-12-2006, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: JJ hand, late...

too funny
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Old 02-12-2006, 02:00 PM
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too funny

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Pushing Too Hard with Bad Larrys?
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Old 02-12-2006, 02:23 PM
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Default Re: JJ hand, late...

You don't have time to wait for a better spot than this. You're going to be the favorite a lot of the time when you get your chips in the middle. Jacks are good, push it.
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Old 02-12-2006, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: JJ hand, late...

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Maybe I'm missing something, but after a raise and a re-raise all-in, that JJ has officially become garbage.

As if it were much more than garbage before said raise and re-raise.

If you could open the pot, then its got great potential for a double up, but at best you're probably 55/45.

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Uh-hem. You're missing the size of the blinds.

Anyhow, what poses an interesting challenge to me is that the pfr is UTG (which suggests a pretty strong hand, generally) and that he's getting 3.8:1 pot odds to call, and relatively, he has the means to make that kind of call.

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He has less than 8x the BB, so he has to make a move sooner or later. The next hand, the blinds hit him and he looses 300 of his 1740, more than 1/6 of it.

The raiser has less than 4.5x the BB and is about to lose more than a third of it in the blinds. He's dying to get his money in the pot VERY soon. And the UTG has just shown potential weakness by only min-raising. This should encourage him to bet fairly marginal hands, too. Since fairly marginal hands don't want to see flops as much as steal blinds, a push is better than a call. A min-raise would pot commit anyway so again there's another reason to push.

Looks to me like you've got two people who both have strong reasons to be in the pot without very good cards. Probably the main question is whether the initial min-raiser will call not just a push but a second push after that. Your position and re-pushing indicate a lot of strength. A guy who only wants to min-raise would probably not want to be in there against you.

That all seems to recommend pushing. A pair of jacks might easily be the best hand you see before you get knocked out, because those blinds are coming after your stack real soon too, and you'll soon be throwing all your money in repeatedly with probably a lot worse than jacks.

Conversely, if the reraiser gets to scoop the pot when everybody folds, he has just added on 700 chips that put him in third place, and bumped you down in comparison. Your situation doesn't look a whole lot brighter if you fold. But it could look 1585 richer if you isolate agaisnt CO and win, putting you in a very solid second place, and even richer if you beat two players instead of one.
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Old 02-12-2006, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: JJ hand, late...

you only have 5bb's so its either push or be blinded out

how was UTG playing prior to this? i cant tell whether his minbet is weak or whether he's trying to trap by inducing a steal
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Old 02-12-2006, 03:41 PM
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Time to race.

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Why was this post resurrected?
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Old 02-26-2006, 02:19 PM
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Why was this post resurrected?

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How did the hand pan out?
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