My Report on shortstacking bots NL500-NL2000

[apefish]

This could get interesting.

[roblin]

at least I have found prof of one bot:

http://www.purple-lounge.com/en/poke...rted/newpl.mth

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[SirDonald]

Its lovely to know that there is people looking for what new players do. I created a system to play shortstack, and most of my friends are using it. Rigth now, some of them are playing some sits or limit HE at same time they play 10BB NLHE. We are from valencia because they are personal friends of mine, and i achieved to get some non poker players to play poker thanks to that. Im very proud of that because i ve achieved to improve some pleople earnings by a lot and i like to help them.

Some of the reason u said to say they re boots is that the sistem is quite simple. Any player playing shortstack would easily qualify for all those requesites (except the lagg issue, that clearly shows that the human mind sees what he wants to see, because i see they play often and the never stop complaining about the endless unibet lag ,the problems they have when clicking something and the time unibet taked to load.

By the way, we do adapt. We make a lot of discussion against many kind of players, but most of my frieds do just play multitable, so it makes it harder for them.

I do short stack in NL 4k-20k, and i play limit at some times too. We cant play in the same tables because some of us are linked, and we cant share table. By the way, we OBVIOSLY do change tables when we get more than some amount, do the math and maybe u get to understand it.

The thing that is really amazing to me is that u get to describe so much about my system and that u dont get the point on it. And its very methodical just because its a system for people who never played before but also because S
short stack NLHE doesnt allow for a lot of things to happen: U just go all in or fold preflop. By the way, havent u ever noticed that they dont all play the same way when on BB and check, or when they get to double or thriple up? Those situations are not fully covered on my system, but my friends do make the plays they think are best.

PD: The bot "bug" of rebuying 600 was very funny to watch, when the guy pushed and saw the 500 chip on the table he almost get a hearth attack. By the way, who the hell would make a bot able to play a very complex game properly and unable to make such an easy thing as rebuying withouth mistakes?

To add up, shortstacked handed are hated the most. Ur post is not being "rational", its just written because plp hates short stacks. I understand this, because its impossible to properly play against them withouth a very hard analisis and in some situations they will benefit whatever u do. But thats not a problem of my friends or mine. Thats a problem about NLHE (i think NLHE is not a good game. Most NLHE arent so mathematical, so they just cant fight this system. If u havent noticed it, im just a 50 100 and 100 200 limit hold em player, and i love this system because it allows numbers to crush NL players.

I ve never writen here before. A friend of mine who holds a website told me that we could have problems because maybe some Unibet security could read u and believe u. My account isnt even listed here, i have to confess im sad to read that. Surely its because i play on the higher limits so i play very few hands, but it still hurted my pride alitle bit.

[Thremp]

It doesn't take much to show that a bot exists. Sit in/Sit Out bugs etc are things that no human could or would possibly match and are extremely damning.

Your like that other clown who had bots and then posted to defend himself. How did you find this thread? Who are these friends? Are we suppose to believe you really have a short stacking army?

[Hopey]

I'm curious as to your explanation for this (from the OP):

"5. The breakthrough was when I was observing how many players they need for to post the blind for the first time at a table. There were 3people playing in the hand and canichewua was waiting for the blind. When he got to the blind he sat out. So I sat down on the table. Cannichewua then sits in and waits for the blinds. I decided to not to post and sit out and when he was to post the blind he sat out. I then sat in again and instantly, 0.0seconds delay he sits in. I did this a few times just to be sure. A human who follow a strict game play (which before this new discovery was the most probable explanation) would lag a few seconds but a computer with no delay in that particular function wouldn't. Obviously the bot owner could fix this given the information about how they were discovered but every bot's code will have some flaws in it. This was this particulars bot flaw which made it possible to be detected."

[roblin]

If you are right, then I am truely sorry for the accusation. PM me your screenname on stars and I will give you $100 you and your team can buy some beers and pizzas for and maybe we can put this behind us and move forward. And I will email microgaming and retract my accusation.

The timing tell might be a just pure accidental. But it happend the 3 diffrent times I observed it and it's not that often that the situation occurs.

"The thing that is really amazing to me is that u get to describe so much about my system and that u dont get the point on it. And its very methodical just because its a system for people who never played before but also because S
short stack NLHE doesnt allow for a lot of things to happen: U just go all in or fold preflop. By the way, havent u ever noticed that they dont all play the same way when on BB and check, or when they get to double or thriple up? Those situations are not fully covered on my system, but my friends do make the plays they think are best."

I have noticed this. The play postflop you do is not very good and I guess poki would play at least as good. So I cannot take this as a counter argument, sorry. One botter could easily have 50bots running and doing all the postflop play himself. I have a good understanding of shortstacked play and I keep the jam/fold-solution for HU play close to hands when I play MTTs/SNG, even though I have a good feeling for what number the chart says for each hand. I have read slotboms books and yeah I perfectly understand why you can make money.

"To add up, shortstacked handed are hated the most. Ur post is not being "rational", its just written because plp hates short stacks. I understand this, because its impossible to properly play against them withouth a very hard analisis and in some situations they will benefit whatever u do. But thats not a problem of my friends or mine. Thats a problem about NLHE (i think NLHE is not a good game. Most NLHE arent so mathematical, so they just cant fight this system. If u havent noticed it, im just a 50 100 and 100 200 limit hold em player, and i love this system because it allows numbers to crush NL players."

Shortstackers are hated because they ruin the games. You say NLTHE is not a good game. I disagree, but I can agree that 10bb NLTHE is not a very fun game for the fish. I think the minumum buy in should be at least 20bb, but 50bb would be even greater. I respect that you follow the rules, but I dont like that you ruin the games. But the sites are most to blame for making bad rules. Still I think you are very bad for the poker comunity.

Also, all your post could be a cover up and your are attacking only some of all my points. And some issuses are still left. Do your friends collude? I have never seen any pot between two players from Valencia.

EDIT: typo

[Sandokan]

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It doesn't take much to show that a bot exists. Sit in/Sit Out bugs etc are things that no human could or would possibly match and are extremely damning.

Your like that other clown who had bots and then posted to defend himself. How did you find this thread? Who are these friends? Are we suppose to believe you really have a short stacking army?

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. He found this thread because I´ve told him the existence Thremp.

Really he gave much more info than I would do, but anyway, I don´t understand people who believes firmly in winning bots, and still play poker. Do you like to be robbed? Is that some kind of masochism?

Cheers, Sandokan.

[roblin]

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It doesn't take much to show that a bot exists. Sit in/Sit Out bugs etc are things that no human could or would possibly match and are extremely damning.

Your like that other clown who had bots and then posted to defend himself. How did you find this thread? Who are these friends? Are we suppose to believe you really have a short stacking army?

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. He found this thread because I´ve told him the existence Thremp.

Really he gave much more info than I would do, but anyway, I don´t understand people who believes firmly in winning bots, and still play poker. Do you like to be robbed? Is that some kind of masochism?

Cheers, Sandokan.

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I believe some of my oppents are winning, still I play. Your argument is stupid.

Bots are a real problem and in the end they will ruin Online Real Money Poker.

[Thremp]

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It doesn't take much to show that a bot exists. Sit in/Sit Out bugs etc are things that no human could or would possibly match and are extremely damning.

Your like that other clown who had bots and then posted to defend himself. How did you find this thread? Who are these friends? Are we suppose to believe you really have a short stacking army?

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. He found this thread because I´ve told him the existence Thremp.

Really he gave much more info than I would do, but anyway, I don´t understand people who believes firmly in winning bots, and still play poker. Do you like to be robbed? Is that some kind of masochism?

Cheers, Sandokan.

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No, I play poker with people better than me. I don't like to be cheated which is what the bot operator is doing. Cheating. He should have his accounts frozen, his money taken, and probably his mother beaten for being a bad parent.

[tautomer]

lol the good ol' me and my friends use a system excuse. Works every time.