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Old 01-05-2006, 05:09 AM
Aytumious Aytumious is offline
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Default Re: Lienart, Bush are both better than V Young

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As a starting QB, Vick has one of the highest winning percentages of any QB in the league. Last I checked, he was behind only Brady and McNabb.

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Do you really think that a team has a good chance of going deep with Vick at QB? A QB who generally only relies on physical ability has little upside and will only go so far as his supporting cast takes him. The NFL is too fast of a league to rely on a QB who has to scramble on every other 3rd and 5.

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I was simply pointing out that you posting the record of the Falcons was silly since they have been very successful with Vick as the starting QB.
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Old 01-05-2006, 08:14 AM
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the NFL will expose his weakness - he is not a great thrower of the football.

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I used to make fun of Vince Young because of his throwing motion, but I was proven wrong.

You do know that VY completes 66% of his passes and has a 26/10 TD to INT ratio, right.
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Old 01-05-2006, 08:28 AM
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He played amazing.

My biggest question in regards to his NFL chances: As a runner, he is fast, but in college, and definetly in this game, a lot of his highlights have him breaking a ton of arm tackles. Now obviously he puts himself in position to get guys off balance and break these tackles, but in the NFL is he going to be able to do this when obviously the athletes are better?

I'm not trying to take anything away from VY, as admittedly I am a bitter SC fan, but I do think this is an honest concern. However, I thought USC would have the athleitc LBs to shadow and make these tackles. This was obviously not the case. VY makes it look very effortless. I'm drunk and frustrated. QWho knows.
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Old 01-05-2006, 08:57 AM
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However, I thought USC would have the athleitc LBs to shadow and make these tackles. This was obviously not the case. VY makes it look very effortless. I'm drunk and frustrated. QWho knows.

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The problem with using "spies" is that the spy is usually inferior athletically to the guy you're trying to cover, so in the long run you're better off just running your best base scheme against the opposition. That's exactly what Texas defensive coordinator Gene Chizik did against Reggie Bush. He just ran his base defense, with the best possible personnel.
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Old 01-05-2006, 09:22 AM
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If USC had some defensive people who could tackle it would have been a different story.

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That's the same EXACT thing I thought last year about the Michigan game. We had more talent, we just missed a buncha tackles. After watching a few Texas games this year, I'm just not very sure anymore. The guy is sick. What a clutch, clutch player.
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Old 01-05-2006, 09:30 AM
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im not arguing for or against specific offensive schemes, i simply don't believe that VY will be able to get in the position to break as many arm tackles against NFL defenses. in college people get their hands and arms on him, they just can't bring him down.

im wary to say he can't do it though, his speed and elusiveness are quite deceptive.
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Old 01-05-2006, 10:21 AM
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Excellent points. As a UT fan, obviously I am biased and happy with the victory.

What I don't understand from the whiners and WHEINART, is the statement, "We missed to many tackles" or "If we had guys who could tackle".

Maybe the guy not getting tackled, Vince or Lindale, were better than the tacklers. Being strong, fast and elusive generally make people miss tackles, just as Pfunk has stated.

UT fans shouldn't complain about missing tackles against White or Bush, and you shouldn't complain about "missing" tackles against Vince.

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Old 01-05-2006, 10:48 AM
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What I don't understand from the whiners and WHEINART, is the statement, "We missed to many tackles" or "If we had guys who could tackle".

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I was disappointed with Leinart's post-game comments, but I think part of it can be attributed to being dazed from a couple of vicious hits plus the natural frustration after losing for the first time in 34 games. I suspect he will give Texas their just due when he is interviewed again.

Reggie Bush was very classy and complementary of Texas after the game, as was Pete Carroll.
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Old 01-05-2006, 11:10 AM
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From today's Sports Guy...

"As we see the Longhorns and their fans celebrating, ABC's cameras catch Leinart and Carroll hugging and Leinart whispering the words, "God, I wish I knew how to quit you!""
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Old 01-05-2006, 11:27 AM
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From today's Sports Guy...

"As we see the Longhorns and their fans celebrating, ABC's cameras catch Leinart and Carroll hugging and Leinart whispering the words, "God, I wish I knew how to quit you!""

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2. If your season potentially rides on one first down, and you have a Heisman Trophy winning running back on your team ... well, you might want to have him on the field. It's a little unorthodox, I know. But it's probably a good idea
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