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Old 07-19-2007, 12:29 PM
fishyak fishyak is offline
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Default Re: Playing Ax Suited at a LAG Live 3/6 Table...

It is clear that you were not comfortable feeling "surrounded" by LAG's. If you aren't ready for the high variance those tables will produce, there is no problem asking for a table change to try and find LAPland.

But these games are profitable if you take a longer view than one session. I play a lot of these wild sessions at 4/8 and just went through a two month -200BB fluctuation. My limit in a session is -40 BB.

We know:

1) That long term these LAGs are action junkies, not winners.
2) These pots have LOTS of dead $ in them.
3) In your OP Axs is an EV+ holding.
4) While you would like to play it for one SB, what hurts is that you are playing it for 4SBs. But the number of SBs does not alter the fact that you are EV+.
5) 3) & 4) together are your variance. If you do not connect with these boards, your stack will shrink, even though all your bets were EV+.

Emotionally, it is part of the learning curves on these games to puch to play each hand properly regardless of where you are in your session. That is hard to do, but it is a big part of playing these games.

All it takes is about 2 of these big pots to make a winning session. I had AA last week and got chased by a family pot. NOBODY folded and they still held up. EV+ AND a little luck, sometimes.

So try and stay focused and play EACH HAND SEPARATELY. If your brain says you are EV+, call or raise, do not fold.
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: Playing Ax Suited at a LAG Live 3/6 Table...

Be it a given that any live Low LHE game you play in will be loose the next big things to consider are aggressiveness and position.
If the game is Loose/Passive (meaning 1 or at most 2 bets in before the flop) then you can limp in early, and play from almost any position with AXs, 55 and 78s type hands because you can be quite sure that the hand will play multiway and you can get in for cheap and win a big pot if you hit.

If the game is Loose/Aggressive or started passive but becomes more aggressive you have to tighten up what you play from early position because there is a chance it will be 3,4 bet or capped after you. Hands like AXs, 55 and 78s gain value from implied odds when you know the hand will be played multiway and not cost much to see the flop. When you play these from early pos in an aggressive game and it gets raised and 3 bet behind you and then everyone folds, the hand will not be multiway and you will now be playing an inferior hand, out of position against only two other players with probable dominant hands. Even worse you can be caught between two bettors who cap it and you are caught in the middle.

So if the game is aggressive I would limit starting hands in early position to maybe pairs 88 and up, big suited cards 10 and higher and offsuit AK, AQ and maybe KQ. You can start playing lesser hands in MP and LP especially if others have already limped and multiple maniac raisers are not still behind you.
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Playing Ax Suited at a LAG Live 3/6 Table...

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It is clear that you were not comfortable feeling "surrounded" by LAG's. If you aren't ready for the high variance those tables will produce, there is no problem asking for a table change to try and find LAPland.

But these games are profitable if you take a longer view than one session. I play a lot of these wild sessions at 4/8 and just went through a two month -200BB fluctuation. My limit in a session is -40 BB.

We know:

1) That long term these LAGs are action junkies, not winners.
2) These pots have LOTS of dead $ in them.
3) In your OP Axs is an EV+ holding.
4) While you would like to play it for one SB, what hurts is that you are playing it for 4SBs. But the number of SBs does not alter the fact that you are EV+.
5) 3) & 4) together are your variance. If you do not connect with these boards, your stack will shrink, even though all your bets were EV+.

Emotionally, it is part of the learning curves on these games to puch to play each hand properly regardless of where you are in your session. That is hard to do, but it is a big part of playing these games.

All it takes is about 2 of these big pots to make a winning session. I had AA last week and got chased by a family pot. NOBODY folded and they still held up. EV+ AND a little luck, sometimes.

So try and stay focused and play EACH HAND SEPARATELY. If your brain says you are EV+, call or raise, do not fold.

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fwiw i think these comments are spot on.
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:35 PM
Befolder Befolder is offline
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Default Re: Playing Ax Suited at a LAG Live 3/6 Table...

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His PF hand requirements were 3 important ones: either both cards black, both red or one black and one red card.

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So he wouldn't play anything w/ blue diamonds or green clovers?
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Old 07-20-2007, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: Playing Ax Suited at a LAG Live 3/6 Table...

No, no Lucky Charm cards [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I had the same thing last night but this guy brought in about 2k in chips and a rack of 1's to play with, oh and drinking a lot. Same thing, I went card dead when ever he enterted a pot so I couldn't play agianst hinm at all, I was bummed, but ready for battle.
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