Let's find ways to dismiss American workers

[AzDesertRat]

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This is about breaking the law to screw americans over for the benefit of a few managers and shareholders.

Real wages for 90 percent of americans are declining. You are terrible people if you want that trend to continue.

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1. the law is stupid and self destructive. A free flow of labor benefits all.

natedogg

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To quote Ronald Reagen (gulp) Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem and that's the absolute truth.

Now have our politicians and the people who vote for them start to acknowledge that piece of wisdom and act accordingly.

[bobman0330]

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I watched this video while playing poker so maybe the point was lost on me. Are they looking for non americans out of spite? Will the hire an American who is the most qualified and the cheapest candidate? Or is this company just looking for the best person to hire and just using a hole in the system to find the best worked regardless of the country of origin?

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Hiring H1-B workers is generally more about how foreigners are willing to work for less than finding the candidate who will do the best work. The anedcotal evidence I've heard suggests that H1-B employees generally do poor work. Bobman is way off when he talks about how companies just want to hire the best employees and American workers should go out to get skills. American employees have the skills, employers just don't want to pay for them.

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I'm just going off anecdotes myself, I'm no immigration expert, so I'll take your word for it.

But if you have a "skill" that employers aren't interested in paying for, then how much of a skill is it? Having a degree or 10 years work experience is not an entitlement to getting paid 70k a year for the rest of your life. If the price of your job goes down because supply increases, too bad for you. Suck it up or develop some more valuable skills.

[Borodog]

I find more and more threads where I have nothing to contribute because bobman has said everything I want to say.

This should probably worry bobman.

[elwoodblues]

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I find more and more threads where I have nothing to contribute because bobman has said everything I want to say.

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So, I choose to "contribute" anyway...

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[AWoodside]

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I watched this video while playing poker so maybe the point was lost on me. Are they looking for non americans out of spite? Will the hire an American who is the most qualified and the cheapest candidate? Or is this company just looking for the best person to hire and just using a hole in the system to find the best worked regardless of the country of origin?

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Hiring H1-B workers is generally more about how foreigners are willing to work for less than finding the candidate who will do the best work. The anedcotal evidence I've heard suggests that H1-B employees generally do poor work. Bobman is way off when he talks about how companies just want to hire the best employees and American workers should go out to get skills. American employees have the skills, employers just don't want to pay for them.

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I'm assuming you're a poker player, so you should understand expected value. The quality of work done by an employee is meaningless if you don't take into account what he's getting payed. The employee that gives you the most value per cost is the best employee. If a big, beefy, red-blooded American can do 2 times the work of a dirty immigrant but costs me 3 times as much obviously I'm going to hire immigrants (unless somebody stops me through threat of violence). Higher quality work does not a better employee make (necessarily).

[cpk]

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But if you have a "skill" that employers aren't interested in paying for, then how much of a skill is it?

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If a company hires an H-1B simply because they are cheap, and not because they are good, they will pay the price in the long run. The market takes care of this eventually, but it is surely a pain in the ass when you're out of work.

[Boris]

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1. the law is stupid and self destructive. A free flow of labor benefits all.

natedogg

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Maybe it does maybe it doesn't. In the short term, there is no doubt that lower income lesser skilled workers pay a disproportionately high price for an increasing supply of labor.

[maxtower]

I work with a lot of H1-Bs. They don't make less at my company, and their work is of at least the same quality as the Americans who work here if not higher.

H1-Bs are definitely not a problem. If anything the US should be trying to attract more. The reason why a lot of tech jobs are moving overseas is because the US labor pool is not large enough.

Would you rather have an H1-B working here paying taxes and enjoying the high standard of American living while perpetuating it

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have them get the same job in their home country making less, but increasing the economy of their own country rather than ours?

[cpk]

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I work with a lot of H1-Bs. They don't make less at my company, and their work is of at least the same quality as the Americans who work here if not higher.

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I think the distribution of skill among H-1Bs is the same as it is for native workers. Most suck, some are really good, the rest are mediocre. My experience is that the typical H-1B is dumber than a box of hammers. But anecdotes are like a-holes.

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H1-Bs are definitely not a problem. If anything the US should be trying to attract more. The reason why a lot of tech jobs are moving overseas is because the US labor pool is not large enough.

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This is true. My company, for example, is moving work overseas not because Americans are too expensive, but because they're generally unavailable.

[Boris]

max - your company's management is pretty stupid if they pay the H1-B guys the same as other employees.