Obvious Collusion at *edited* (Long -Cliff Notes at bottom)

[Vehn]

lolololololololol

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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I have heard of cheating in the game, but have never obviously witnessed it. The term "buddy" is used in the 15 and 30 game by many players. It comes from HSP. I have been called buddy literally hundreds of times @ CP, its just slang. I dont think your evidence is at all conclusive. That game can be tough, the players have played many hours together and many game select and probably roll off each other. Bc, there are no higher games the player pool becomes tight-nit though I dont think to the point of having teams.

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i have never seen anything that i suspected as collusion in any game at canterbury.

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I agree that I was playing like [censored] and messing around a lot. I did some goofy stuff like call 2 bets cold with middle pair and I did limp with a TON of suited Kings and Aces (as I personally think big suited cards go WAY up in value in a crazy games where flushes are your best bet to scoop).

HOWEVER, if you really think that people who play short handed 30-60 are in the habbit of 4-5 betting preflop to drive out a middle player or a blind... then that same player check folds the flop... you're high

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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Finally, right before moving to the main game, I busted one of them out and asked them point blank if "buddy" was a code word for 3 Bet or just a code word for "I have a big hand".


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who did you bust out? the only people i recall busting from the must-move game were you and your bro.

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We took some money off a couple guys before the must move... the truth is... I knew when I sat down that I didn't bring enough cash with me to play right in that game. I just wanted to splash around for a rack or two, see if I could hit a rush of cards, and pay for a nice dinner with poker winnings. Didn't happen, we ate pizza instead of steak, I'm not complaining about that.

In addition, I have NO vested interest in making any of this up. I posted several examples of what are KNOWN to be amateur colluder moves, and the best you can do is explain that I played K-6 from under gun. What kind of defense is that?

I don't know of any of the other 2+2er's you're talking about. The only player at the table today besides you that seemed to be a good TAG was the Matt Hughes looking fellow sitting to your right. You two seem to be playing ABC poker... I can't imagine how you aren't catching on to what I'm talking about. You can talk about how horrible my limit game is, or how horrible the limit poker play of my friends are. That's not the issues. The issue is that there was obvious best-handing and whip-sawing going on at that table... PERIOD.

[MitchL]

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Finally, right before moving to the main game, I busted one of them out and asked them point blank if "buddy" was a code word for 3 Bet or just a code word for "I have a big hand".


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who did you bust out? the only people i recall busting from the must-move game were you and your bro.

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We took some money off a couple guys before the must move... the truth is... I knew when I sat down that I didn't bring enough cash with me to play right in that game. I just wanted to splash around for a rack or two, see if I could hit a rush of cards, and pay for a nice dinner with poker winnings. Didn't happen, we ate pizza instead of steak, I'm not complaining about that.

In addition, I have NO vested interest in making any of this up. I posted several examples of what are KNOWN to be amateur colluder moves, and the best you can do is explain that I played K-6 from under gun. What kind of defense is that?

I don't know of any of the other 2+2er's you're talking about. The only player at the table today besides you that seemed to be a good TAG was the Matt Hughes looking fellow sitting to your right. You two seem to be playing ABC poker... I can't imagine how you aren't catching on to what I'm talking about. You can talk about how horrible my limit game is, or how horrible the limit poker play of my friends are. That's not the issues. The issue is that there was obvious best-handing and whip-sawing going on at that table... PERIOD.

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Your ability to read hands is pretty much the same ability to detect collusion.

[Vehn]

do you even feel like addressing my points? I have played hundreds of hours with both of those guys, both are laggy and can get v out of line against weak plays (i.e. limping) and obv scared shortstacks looking for steak dinners.

[12ressiMorP]

maybe the kid is right

[PokerBob]

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i don't even know where to begin with this BS, but I will start with this statement....
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HOWEVER, if he hasn't in the past brought up the fact that there is OBVIOUS collusion in that 30-60 game... then he is either involved or has decided not to let anyone know.

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you are making a very serious accusation here. if you have any evidence, then either bring it or shut the [censored] up.

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The evidence is in the obvious play of the colluders.

I observed you play for about 7 hours over the past 2 days and I personally don't think you are involved at all. However, I'm suprised you've never even brought up the possibility before.

You play pretty straight up as far as I can tell for that crazy game.

HOWEVER, it's very obvious there are a couple teams that are playing off combined bankrolls.

I would bet my bottom dollar that the two friends that were playing with us today in the short handed game, then moved with us and took a dinner break together are working off the same bankroll, and are making moves against the table on a regular basis. If you don't know who I'm talking about, it's the two buddies that were talking about playing raquetball together.

I think if you sat back and looked at their specific play, you'd see what I'm saying is correct. You know darn well that NO-ONE in that game folds the flop for 1 bet (especially after putting in 4-5 bets preflop).

I'm not some punk-kid / troll with 23 posts. I've been around a LONG time and learned to identify most of the angles / cheaters while playing at the commerce. You ARE getting cheated at that game if you aren't one of the best handing teams that are working the Canturbery club.

Maybe you are such a good player that you are still winning at that game -OR- maybe you have sub-consciously adjusted to the fact that they cheat and are staying out of pots where the best handing teams are cheating... but let me assure you... there ARE colluders at your game.

Personally, I don't really care. I doulbt I'll ever be back out here again. However, I felt an obligation to inform 2+2er's what's going on.

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your observation means nothing. you were in a game with me for maybe 2 hours.

you seem to think it is OBVIOUS that there are teams colluding, yet you limp K6s utg in a bad 9handed 30/60 game, a play that is OBVIOUSLY atrocious. it is clear that your powers of observation suck.

as far as betting your bottom dollar, i thought you left it at table 31.

looking at their specific play, i know that they suck. i have played with them TONS. they know not to [censored] with me, and although they are not good at poker, they know that i am and would easily sniff out any funny-business.

you clearly DO care, as you took the time to write this. but painting yourself as some sort of Paul Revere who is warning the rest of 2+2 is laughable.

you and your bro suck and busted, but that does not mean the game is crooked. stop limping K6s UTG, and stop folding TT in a shorthanded game. my god.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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Not once have I ever suspected collusion or cheating of any kind.

I know who you're referring to, both are laggy and can get out of line often.

Get over yourself.

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C#1 would be under the gun with a hand like KK. He would limp, and C#2 would raise, a few on the table would call, UTG would make it three-bets, and C#2 would fold for one bet.

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I have never, ever seen this happen in this game, ever. If it did I would be pretty upset. I think you're full of s---.

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Well... if you were sitting at the table today around 2 pm you would have seen this happen. Seat 4 had KK under the gun and they pulled this move.

I had JJ on the button and the guy to my right almost got trapped with QQ in this hand for a lot of extra bets. The only thing that saved us was that he (QQ) and I both checked behind on the turn with the guy with KK was obviously trying to get in a check raise on the turn. For anyone sitting at the table, I even made a joke about living in Burbank, CA and knowing a bad actor when I saw one. I said out loud that I wasn't going to fall for that move... the player with KK just kind of put his head down, and had a laugh with his friend.

[PokerBob]

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HOWEVER, if you really think that people who play short handed 30-60 are in the habbit of 4-5 betting preflop to drive out a middle player or a blind... then that same player check folds the flop... you're high

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your bro did the same thing. care to address that?

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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as far as betting your bottom dollar, i thought you left it at table 31.


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I'll give you credit... that was actually pretty funny.

However, anytime you feel like playing 40-80 or 60-120... or better yet...25-50 stud or 30-60 stud high-low... feel free to look me up at the commerce and or HP