86s facing a turn donk

[cs3]

raising the turn sucks. there are a ton of hands he can easily have that beat you - 97, T6, T8, all sets. i dont know why so many people like making this pot bigger than it already is.
just call turn, call a small bet on the river, fold river if he pushes. unlesss you spike a 6 or 8 ofcourse
you are never ahead here if you manage get all in. even the biggest donks dont stack off with AT on this board.
i honestly think the rare times you are ahead in this spot, villain has a redonkulously played AA/KK

[Imrahil]

I hate raising and folding because our hand still has potential to make a boat on the river. If villain is a big fish then raising and calling a shove would be fine but I think it's best to just call here.

[wrkingtobegreat]

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*Grunch* You have to fold. He might have played the hand this way with big overcards or a big pocket pair, but he didn't raise preflop, so this is unlikely. He MIGHT do this with top pair (10s), but I think we are way behind his range most of the time here with bottom two.

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...ummm wow.

Guess this as good a place as any - wtf is up with this *grunch* stuff? Thanks.

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do you not know what a grunch is? or would you rather get heavily involved on our hand that only beats top pair and is behind to a very possible straight or set given preflop action?

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Calling $23 is not getting 'heavily involved'. You may be behind, you may be ahead. The redonk turn line is often weakness, and the OP's read is that SB is a bad player. You're being laid 3:1 and I think you're better way more than 25% here. It's not like your only decisions are shove/raise or fold. Calling and evaluating the river is fine and good.

But yeah, that wasn't my real question/comment. What is a grunch?

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Sorry for the hostility I thought u were trying to make fun of the advice I was giving in the post and were being sarcastic asking what a grunch was. Yeah its posting without reading comments after u think about it a while-its supposed to be really helpful in improving your thinking.