flush standard situation

[cowpig]

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Fold preflop.

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I propose a new forum rule where people are banned for an hour or two when they tell hero(s) to fold preflop when it is painfully obvious that Hero is stealing, unless they provide some amazing insight as to why folding would be better.

You can argue a lot about what hands are better than others to steal with, but there are tons of even less marginal hands than this that are +EV to open with in the CO.

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Hmm, I thought that opening a hand as weak as J7s from the CO in an average SSNL game of today was -EV. Apparently this isn't true?

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imo you can open any 2 in the CO/BTN profitably

[BDaws]

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Fold preflop.

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how are comments like these helpful at all in a position-dependent, largely postflop game?

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Clearly preflop deserves some mention in strategy posts because it can have an enormous impact on how the rest of the hand plays out. My comment was apparently useless, but I thought opening a weak hand like J7s from the CO was a leak and sets Hero up for unprofitable situations later in the hand.

Apparently for all the postflop wizards who can play any two profitably from the CO in SSNL that isn't true. I was at least attempting to contribute to the forum which is more than you can say about your post.

[cbboy]

Opening this from the CO is fine. I think you can profitable open any 2 from the button (some situations excluded of course). You can probably open nearly any 2 cards from the CO as well as long as you have some post flop skills.

[cowpig]

What I said about opening any 2 in the CO/BTN is somewhat of an exaggeration, but is true under some circumstances.

For example, if sb and bb are both weak nits when you are CO, and BTN is tight/passive, raising any 2 in the CO/BTN is probably not only OK but optimal.

[bilbo-san]

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Fold preflop.

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I propose a new forum rule where people are banned for an hour or two when they tell hero(s) to fold preflop when it is painfully obvious that Hero is stealing, unless they provide some amazing insight as to why folding would be better.

You can argue a lot about what hands are better than others to steal with, but there are tons of even less marginal hands than this that are +EV to open with in the CO.

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Hmm, I thought that opening a hand as weak as J7s from the CO in an average SSNL game of today was -EV. Apparently this isn't true?

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Either this isn't true, or a LOT of us ssnlers are just on very long hot streaks, because I think if you play 20/18 or so this is perfectly acceptable. I steal with stuff like J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the button. This can't possibly be lower EV than that.

[bilbo-san]

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Fold preflop.

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how are comments like these helpful at all in a position-dependent, largely postflop game?

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Clearly preflop deserves some mention in strategy posts because it can have an enormous impact on how the rest of the hand plays out. My comment was apparently useless, but I thought opening a weak hand like J7s from the CO was a leak and sets Hero up for unprofitable situations later in the hand.

Apparently for all the postflop wizards who can play any two profitably from the CO in SSNL that isn't true. I was at least attempting to contribute to the forum which is more than you can say about your post.

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If you are relying solely on your hand-strength to determine what is or is not a good hand to open with, then by definition you are never stealing.

So what you are saying is that stealing in 6-max is -EV. This isn't true unless you are in a VERY juicy game full of loose-passives (both before and after the flop).