66 hand from Stars $320

[mlagoo]

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I was a little confused by your post, so sorry if my response is irrelevant, but I think the guy c/f's his 9 on the turn basically never.

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yeah seriously... if you call the flop, betting the turn as a bluff is pretty retarded.

[Crispy]

I think calling is the worst thing you can do. If you wanted to play the flop I think it is a push. At least then you are representing a huge overpair and if you think the BB was just betting a pair you might get him to fold.

[adanthar]

nath,

I think 'raising small' PF is the worst choice between raising a normal amount/raising small/folding, and leads to crap spots like the one you wound up in.

ps: I kinda like a flop shove

[nath]

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nath,

I think 'raising small' PF is the worst choice between raising a normal amount/raising small/folding, and leads to crap spots like the one you wound up in.

ps: I kinda like a flop shove

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Yeah, I should have mentioned that 1025 had been basically standard for me at this level, and was working fine. I had been recently active, though, which suggests I may get more calls with a small raise, so there's an argument to raise more or even fold.

I thought about a flop shove but the combination of people to act and having two outs when called made it too risky IMO. I think I tried to straddle a line between winning the pot and giving it up, and didn't really achieve either.

[Ansky]

i think pf is real bad

[nath]

raising at all, or that amount?

[A_Junglen]

Standard fold preflop

[RandALLin]

pre flop: fold
flop: fold

jesus christ nath, just fold.

[Ansky]

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raising at all, or that amount?

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at all.

I think raising small pps w/ relatively shallo stacks is a huge yet very common mistake.

[NickdaNutz]

I think everyone agrees pre-flop is terrible but the real question is how we play the flop given that we raised pre.

Should we give up or try and win the pot?

I think the BB weak leading into us gives us a great opportunity to represent an over pair by raising to about 4k which would be not much more than a standard cbet.

From my experience the weak lead by an average/bad player is indicative of a weak 9 or less likely a draw in this spot.