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Old 04-13-2007, 04:23 AM
dedor dedor is offline
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Default Re: calling all-in with AK (again)

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Easy call. Not close.

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it is close

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Realize that ICM doesn't come into the question in nearly the same way it did in your previous post. If you're not calling what you yourself say is quite possibly a resteal with AK, what _are_ you going to call with? QQ+ only? That's so exploitable it's not even funny.

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we all play to win. and I do realize it's not an ICM situation.

Lets look at the reasons for folding:

1. If we fold and the big stack win, the table will break up and i presumably wont have a big stack to my left. this will be a huge advantage for me. (a point mentioned by sethypooh21)
2. at best case I'm 72% favorite , if my read is correct and he is doing it with any 2 (live cards) so I am only 63% favorite, at worse case I'm 45% underdog. (lets assume he is not doing it with KK or AA).
3. Although my main concerns is the big stack , there are 2 all-ins here. this means that I need a much better hand to call this because the short stack might be doing this with an A or a K taking one of my outs.
4. my stack size will be still very good after folding ( 5 in chips out of 18 or 19).

now lets see the advantages of calling :

1. If we win we are becoming the big stack in the tournament.(first out of 19 or 18) with a good chance of winning 1-3.
note that if I take only the side pot ,I will have only a slight edge over the second stack. this doesn't increase my chances of making 1-3 by a lot.

the more I think of it , it looks like a sick fold to me.
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Old 04-13-2007, 04:34 AM
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Default Re: calling all-in with AK (again)

call and be thankful of the opportunity.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:04 AM
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Default Re: calling all-in with AK (again)

dedor and other morons in this thread you don't realize how big of a +cEV and +$EV spot this is and if you are passing this up then you might as well open fold and save yourself the 3bb. Honestly I am sure after reading your comments you guys are the many 2+2ers who are losing players and feeding mine and other better players bankrolls because you suck at tourneys about as much as it is humanly possibly
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:06 AM
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Default Re: calling all-in with AK (again)

I think you're in a coinflip about half of the time and your dominatind his hand the other half. I don't think he would ever do this with AA, and I would be surprised if he has KK also. What kind of better spot do you really think you're going to get in this tournament. if a $50 600 man tourney, the last 18 are going to know how to play.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:13 AM
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dedor and other morons in this thread you don't realize how big of a +cEV and +$EV spot this is and if you are passing this up then you might as well open fold and save yourself the 3bb. Honestly I am sure after reading your comments you guys are the many 2+2ers who are losing players and feeding mine and other better players bankrolls because you suck at tourneys about as much as it is humanly possibly

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Really, some of the posts here are sickeningly bad, I won't argue the point anymore.
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:45 AM
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dont fold
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:46 AM
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Default Re: calling all-in with AK (again)

It's unbelievable that people playing 55 freezeouts are so clueless.
Folding in this spot is just simply awful. It's the clearest call ever.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:31 AM
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Default Re: calling all-in with AK (again)

Depending on the read u have on villian, you say that he is tricky and can make this play with any2 ? Go for the 1st place and call!
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:44 AM
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Depending on the read u have on villian

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No reasonable range makes this a fold.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:55 AM
HitmanHaydon HitmanHaydon is offline
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Default Re: calling all-in with AK (again)

I cant believe some people are saying fold. lol
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