Ben Roberts Full Tilt Article

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You're a complete idiot. I've logged soooooo many hours with Ben Roberts online and LIVE from 10/20 to 50/100...he is definitely one of the top 5 FTP Pros...very very good, and also quite possibly the nicest guy of all the poker world. Ben is very under the radar and not many people know how good he is.

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I've played a ton of hands with BR and have met him irl and this sums up how I feel too.

[Peter McDermott]

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No one's saying someone will be DOWN in the long run if they are a big winner. But if both are truly 5bb/100 winners (in expectation, from how much equity they have when the money goes in), one player could be a 7bb/100 winner and the other a 3bb/100 winner in 'a long time' even if not in 'the long run' which neither player will ever see (especially if they play live).

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OK, so you aren't saying that luck will make a skilled player a loser -- rather that luck can play a significant role in determine the actual amount that one eventually ends up winning.

Makes sense now.

[Daddy Warbucks]

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You're a complete idiot. I've logged soooooo many hours with Ben Roberts online and LIVE from 10/20 to 50/100...he is definitely one of the top 5 FTP Pros...very very good, and also quite possibly the nicest guy of all the poker world. Ben is very under the radar and not many people know how good he is.

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I've played a ton of hands with BR and have met him irl and this sums up how I feel too.

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I've heard both of you and several other people say the same thing, so why doesn't Ben play much higher online? I assume he plays bigger live?

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You're a complete idiot. I've logged soooooo many hours with Ben Roberts online and LIVE from 10/20 to 50/100...he is definitely one of the top 5 FTP Pros...very very good, and also quite possibly the nicest guy of all the poker world. Ben is very under the radar and not many people know how good he is.

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I've played a ton of hands with BR and have met him irl and this sums up how I feel too.

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I've heard both of you and several other people say the same thing, so why doesn't Ben play much higher online? I assume he plays bigger live?

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He apparently plays in very big private games in the UK and Europe.

[FieryJustice]

If any of you actually would read the article, he talks about running bad and stuff...seems like pretty general knowledge for all good poker players.

[SEABEAST]

It's funny because reading the article what I thought was weird was that he was presenting these thoughts as though they were revolutionary, when I thought it was all just common sense... now here is a thread full of people disagreeing.

[Whitewash]

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You're a complete idiot. I've logged soooooo many hours with Ben Roberts online and LIVE from 10/20 to 50/100...he is definitely one of the top 5 FTP Pros...very very good, and also quite possibly the nicest guy of all the poker world. Ben is very under the radar and not many people know how good he is.

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Who are some of the other Full Tilt pros you'd put in the top 5 for NL?

Some of the people I'm curious of the opinions in the 2+2 high stakes community:

John D'Agostino
Brad Booth
Ram Vaswani
Andy Black
John Juanda

[Lyric]

The edge in poker is a lot smaller than most think after considering the rake. I would guess that it's somewhere right around .5% after rake for most high stakes pros.

This is a graph of 32,000 coin flips. Each line represents a gambler who has a 50.5% chance to win each flip. As you can see, there can be wide differences in results between two gamblers with exactly the same skill level.:



Here is what a 51% edge looks like. Same thing here. Wide differences, same skill level:



And 52% to win each flip. With a 2% edge you pretty much never lose over 30k flips:


53%.:


And finally, let's take a look at 50.25% to win each flip:

[TheWorstPlayer]

interesting post. just so that people aren't confused and think that the 2% edge shows a high degree of clumping, i want to point out that the scale is different in that one. so even with a 2% edge, which is a big edge (only over 30K hands but still) there is wide divergence in actual results. anyways, i was hoping for something more interesting, and better expressed from ben, since so many people hold his game in high regard.

[Joey Joe Joe]

"Ben is widely considered one of the best NL cash game players in Europe."

Good for Ben.

"Anyway, the best no limit players I know, have had insane consistency in winning when playing live."


And your judgement of who are the best players is largely based on this, so it has a bit of a circular feel.

"Def. in poker the edge a good player has is much much bigger in NL limit holdem than any other form of poker, to the point where the fish have practically no shot. Maybe this is where he's deriving his statement from."

Maybe, but it's a non sequitur.

"I will say one thing tho. When learning to play, I'd much rather go into it with the mindset of poker being 100% skillful, than believing there is any luck in there. This will push you much harder to re-examine your game after losses. "

Okay, but this could also possibly lead to some very faulty conclusions, such as mucking AA to 3 all ins in front.