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04-02-2007, 03:57 AM
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Re: Beatable Game??
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[ QUOTE ] 8-16 is generally beatable. Don't over analyze it though, since it's a pretty straight forward calculation. If you're a decent player you should be able to make 1BB/hr and if you're good, you can make two. You can't make 2BB/hr at higher stakes, but at 8-16 you can. So that's $32/hr. And at that win rate, you should be winning between 3 and 4 pots per hour, costing about $20/hr. And there you are. [/ QUOTE ] I think 8/16 is beatable for $32/hr INCLUDING the rake. At least the games in L.A. are, and I have the stats to prove it. (Actually, my winrate lifetime is $37.27 -- mostly Bike & Hawaiian Gardens, with some Normandie, Wynn, and Bellagio too -- and L.A. games took $4 out of the pot when I was playing, $5 now). [/ QUOTE ] WINNING 3 OR 4 POTS AN HOUR?!?!?!....assuming 40 hands an hour....you would need to play almost 40-50% of your starting hands....are you playing that many? please tell me what starting hands you are playing to get that rate of return? 
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#22
04-02-2007, 04:01 AM
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Re: Beatable Game??
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WINNING 3 OR 4 POTS AN HOUR?!?!?!....assuming 40 hands an hour....you would need to play almost 40-50% of your starting hands....are you playing that many? please tell me what starting hands you are playing to get that rate of return? [/ QUOTE ] It isn't which hands you play, but how you play them that lets you win 3 or 4 hands an hour.
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#23
04-02-2007, 04:14 AM
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Re: Beatable Game??
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[ QUOTE ] WINNING 3 OR 4 POTS AN HOUR?!?!?!....assuming 40 hands an hour....you would need to play almost 40-50% of your starting hands....are you playing that many? please tell me what starting hands you are playing to get that rate of return? [/ QUOTE ] It isn't which hands you play, but how you play them that lets you win 3 or 4 hands an hour. [/ QUOTE ] are you saying a player ...playing 20-25% of his starting hands....should be able to win 3 to 4 hands per hour at CCC ..$8/$16.....you must play ther....???? I am playing 23% of my hands...and winning just over 2 hands an hour..... do you think the problem is my playing after the flop? perhaps folding too much?? or something...
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#24
04-02-2007, 04:15 AM
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Re: Beatable Game??
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I play a 10/20 game with 5% rake up to 15 euro (that's close to 20$...). It's very beatable, so 8/16 with a 6$ could be beatable, but it's depending of the skill of the other players. [/ QUOTE ] I've heard of rakes like this. Apparently the big casino in melbourne has a $10 rake as well. I'd say those games are prob. still beatable too I'd imagine, but not for over 1BB/hr even for the best players over 1000's of hours. If you're complaining about a $4 max rake, come on, that's nothing to complain about. That is so standard, and bad-beat jackpots generally have a 2% drop to the house for adminstrative fees, so $0.98-$0.99 is going back to players, eventually. There is equity there. Plus in Canada, tipping is not standard on every pot (being cheap has it's perks). And, stealing blinds, though not a reality in a typical 8/16 game, is a big part of 15/30+, where there is no rake. 4/8 is beatable w/ the same rake, 8/16 is def. beatable too!! loosen up or stay online! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#25
04-02-2007, 04:24 AM
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Re: Beatable Game??
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You forgot the one hand an hour, where you steal the blinds. You also don't understand how bad the worst 8-16 players are. There are probably players who are going to lose enough to pay for the rake for the entire table, and if you have a couple more donaters, there probably is enough money at risk on the table, that you can make a big bet an hour, if you play well enough. Do you play online? Can you beat 2-4 online? If so, you probably can beat 8-16 live. I almost suspect that because you aren't sure that the game is beatable, it probably isn't for you. [/ QUOTE ] I do play online....and the games online...and the game at CCC.....are too different animals. but ...how do you compare them....to make such a statement? I mean...what makes beating the 2/4 online....a measure of if you/I can beat the 8/16 at CCC? the game at CCC is always loose....sometimes aggressive. playing less hands preflop than the maniacs...and having pot odds on your calls after the flop....is this not enough to beat the game?
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#26
04-02-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: Beatable Game??
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WINNING 3 OR 4 POTS AN HOUR?!?!?!....assuming 40 hands an hour....you would need to play almost 40-50% of your starting hands....are you playing that many? please tell me what starting hands you are playing to get that rate of return? [/ QUOTE ] Cancel my previous post. You cannot beat 8-16.
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#27
04-02-2007, 03:43 PM
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Of course this is true but "swinginess" is not to be ignored. [/ QUOTE ] Yes it is. [ QUOTE ] Unless you have played in the Canterbury 8/16 then you honestly have no idea what is in store. [/ QUOTE ] Yes I do.
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#28
04-02-2007, 04:30 PM
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Re: Beatable Game??
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[ QUOTE ] Of course this is true but "swinginess" is not to be ignored. [/ QUOTE ] Yes it is. [ QUOTE ] Unless you have played in the Canterbury 8/16 then you honestly have no idea what is in store. [/ QUOTE ] Yes I do. [/ QUOTE ] Well since you say so it must be true. Nice argument you win.
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