50 - odd spot with AQ (TPTK=push/fold?)

[rakes.a.beach]

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Look at your OP, think, what would a tag re-raise with, what does he have, if you think about it, pre-flop fold is easy with AQ. As Played, Push.

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Thought process please.

[rakes.a.beach]

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Also, folding AQ here w/o a bet is a pretty weak line in my opinion. AQ hitting Q high flop is as good as it gets. Just throw 11 in the pot and it makes our life a lot easier.

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i agree that c/f TPTK here is a very weak line...but i think it might b best (and obviously if i knew what was best, i wudnt b posting it here). however, if we CBet, we cant stand any heat on a raise (from either player really), and are also in a really odd spot if we get flat called by TAGgro (which allows Spew to come along with great odds).

just things to keep in mind

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Yeah. I mean your situation is not really great here on the flop. You're forced to make a tough decision either way. But if you put in 11, it becomes REALLY clear what to do on later streets.

Calling the flop would be pretty bad IMO. And a push is just spew.

[rakes.a.beach]

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Also I think those who are saying the pfrr would fold KK to a shove are giving a player with tight stats way too much credit.

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Thank you. And villian TagAggo isn't even that tight -_-'

P.S for OP- your post was very well posted and also interesting for discussion purposes. I really think the EV is marginal on the flop.

[hunt1897]

Thought process is if we call in this situation, what more could we hope for. Tag's hand has not changed and this is the best flop we could hope for. Ageeed, push is spew, as played we must push. Do we fold after hitting the flop??

[Split Suit]

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Also I think those who are saying the pfrr would fold KK to a shove are giving a player with tight stats way too much credit.

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Thank you. And villian TagAggo isn't even that tight -_-'

P.S for OP- your post was very well posted and also interesting for discussion purposes. I really think the EV is marginal on the flop.

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thnx. im just tryyin to get ppl to think about the hand different from their standard ABC style. (which is hard to do without coming off as aggressive and rude). i didnt think push was spew perse...but it didnt seem to b a great play overall. hence why i posted it.

(and rake...plz srsly think about why my bettin of $11 is the same as checking. its bizzare...but think about it and see if u understand it. lemme kno if u understand what im sayyin)

[VPIP100]

I think the real decision is preflop here:

You call, hit big, and win a small pot.

You call, hit big, lose a huge pot.

Or you dont hit anything at all.

I think calling preflop is -EV, especially OOP. Id rather call (has already been said) with SC's and PP's.

Because if you put him on AA/KK/QQ/AK you can't like any board except QQx or KJT.

I dont like it, I fold pre with this read and range.

[rakes.a.beach]

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Thought process is if we call in this situation, what more could we hope for. Tag's hand has not changed and this is the best flop we could hope for. Ageeed, push is spew, as played we must push. Do we fold after hitting the flop??

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If you agree that a push is spew, why the hell are we pushing?

[rakes.a.beach]

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Also I think those who are saying the pfrr would fold KK to a shove are giving a player with tight stats way too much credit.

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Okay. I understand that his only three-betting range we're beating is 99, TT, AK, AJ. We're losing to JJ, QQ, AA, KK. We tie AQ.


Thank you. And villian TagAggo isn't even that tight -_-'

P.S for OP- your post was very well posted and also interesting for discussion purposes. I really think the EV is marginal on the flop.

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thnx. im just tryyin to get ppl to think about the hand different from their standard ABC style. (which is hard to do without coming off as aggressive and rude). i didnt think push was spew perse...but it didnt seem to b a great play overall. hence why i posted it.

(and rake...plz srsly think about why my bettin of $11 is the same as checking. its bizzare...but think about it and see if u understand it. lemme kno if u understand what im sayyin)

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Okay, so if villian was really a thinking player, I guess he'd check behind all the hands we beat. In gerenal, 50 NL players don't think this much.

So yes, I understand what you're saying and agree with you. though i don't give 50NLers so much credit

[prodonkey]

AQ oop to a 3 bet is just bad.. even more so with another guy in the pot.. if you hit your ace u don't know if you're ahead.. if u hit your Q u don't know if you're ahead.. suited I will call a lot more often.. unsuited I will fold preflop quite often. Maybe your experience is different than mine.. but I very rarely get 3 bet light.. so if you put his range on something like JJ+ and AK I just don't see the point in calling prelfop.

[0evg0]

dunno why this thread has so many posts

fold preflop, but it's not a disastrous call

doing anything but folding this flop is hilariously bad.

I PUT HIM ON AK!

....AND THE OTHER GUY TOO.