The Grandma dilemma: Debunking the myths

[fiskebent]

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One ticket per IP address

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as i pointed out yesterday, this will not deter this from happening, you can have more than 1 IP address at the same street address.

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I know. But it's still the best (only) way I can think of to prevent it from happening. I think if you went to the trouble to get multiple IP addresses, you'd probably be at a cash table instead of in a MTT.

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technically, yes you have. but this is something that will never stop (taking over for another player or coaching another), because there is no way to regulate it. for EVERY TIME that you help another player make it through a tourny (be it satellite or other), you are basically eliminating SOMEONE ELSE's chances of doing the same thing on their own merits. That satellite you won for your friend eliminated someone else from being able to go.

I don't think you were trying to do anything wrong, it just isn't "fair gaming". He did not "earn" the seat.

[Stipe_fan]

I have noticed the fields getting larger and larger on the Stars and Party weekend and super daily tournaments. About a month ago, I was thinking it was unreal the number of players willing, and have the resources, to play these large buy-in tournaments.

Say the increase was 1000 players/tournament the last few months. If half or 500 of these new players are duplicate accounts, or maybe a quarter or 250, then "Houston we have a problem"....a major probelm

I have this sinking feeling players realize they will not be caught so are opening multiple accounts. The sites are not policing accounts from the same IP address. Thus, the influx of "new" players to the major tournaments.

Thoughts???


Stipe_fan

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Um. Did you forget what game we play for a living (or for hobby, but still)?

Of course if we win something it prevents someone else from winning. WE'RE TAKING THEIR MONEY.

[rockin]

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One ticket per IP address

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as i pointed out yesterday, this will not deter this from happening, you can have more than 1 IP address at the same street address.

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I know. But it's still the best (only) way I can think of to prevent it from happening. I think if you went to the trouble to get multiple IP addresses, you'd probably be at a cash table instead of in a MTT.

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why? all can be very profitable (understandably a cash game where you pick your table even more so). Big MTT's pay HUGE amounts of money, why wouldn't a regular cash game player ALSO play in MTT's and sitngo's? change of pace. game preference.

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Sirio,

You seem to think very clearly and present your thoughts very well when dealing with this math problem and those numbers are very telling.

I have done things like this, though:

- I'm on the bus on the way home, and I look at my watch and whoa its 4:15pm on sunday. I call a friend and ask him to log on and play the first hour of the sunday tourneys for me until I get back.

- My friend gets deep in a tourney and says, "strass, come help me out". So I go over to his room and talk with him as he plays.

- Friend calls me up: "crap I'm deep in xyz tourney and have to go, can you play for xx%?"

- This happened once: "Yo strass, I can never win a double shootout on stars, they are rigged. I want to go to the bahamas." So, with him in the room, I played a shootout and got lucky and won him a seat to the WPT.

I'm curious how terrible these things are. I always felt like I haven't crossed the line, but maybe I have.
-Jason

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FWIW- I think all examples are variations on a theme. The real question you raise is "Is on-line MTT poker intentionally different from live MTT?"

If you believe it is, then a different code of conduct may apply.

If you believe it isn't, then none of the examples are allowable.

I believe that allowing on-line poker to play by different rules is a disservice to the game that we all love.

[rockin]

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Um. Did you forget what game we play for a living (or for hobby, but still)?

Of course if we win something it prevents someone else from winning. WE'RE TAKING THEIR MONEY.

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key words "WE", "WE" and "we're". not once did you say "I". He asked if it was crossing the line, i just pointed out that it was.

If Phil Ivey was a good friend of mine, would it be unfair for him to finish a final table for me that you were at? Would it be wrong? I'm not taking 1st away from you on my own abilities, he is.

edit: FWIW, i have been too tired to keep playing and had someone finish a tourny for me. Not that it matters, but they were a lesser player in ability (and it was only an hour into the tourny, $3 sat rebuy). It really doesnt matter if they were better or worse than me, it's still not fair to others (and i'm sure against any terms and conditions of the site).

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why? all can be very profitable (understandably a cash game where you pick your table even more so). Big MTT's pay HUGE amounts of money, why wouldn't a regular cash game player ALSO play in MTT's and sitngo's? change of pace. game preference.

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Because you'll have both your accounts at the same table in a cash game.

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why? all can be very profitable (understandably a cash game where you pick your table even more so). Big MTT's pay HUGE amounts of money, why wouldn't a regular cash game player ALSO play in MTT's and sitngo's? change of pace. game preference.

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Because you'll have both your accounts at the same table in a cash game.

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i just said that

[Toro]

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- My friend gets deep in a tourney and says, "strass, come help me out". So I go over to his room and talk with him as he plays.

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I've done this for my brother once. He's a super lag and can always accululate chips but always flames out. So he called me this one particlular night with desparation in his voice and asked for help. I was not in the particular tourney at all and didn't think I did anything wrong by coaching him.

Btw, he won the tourney. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]