Find the 15% leaks.

[Guthrie]

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Most people here seem to agree that you can teach nearly anyone to beat the 6.50s for 15% in 8 hours, and since "there is no variance," any breakeven player must have huge leaks in his game.

I'm a breakeven player over 2000 6.50s, having moved down from the 16s where I was 4% for >3000 tournies before the latest catastrophic downswing. Here are the hand histories for 22 tournies. They haven't been carefully selected to prove any point, they're just the last 22 I played. The only thing not typical about them is I didn't bust out the first or second time I pushed, and I actually won some all-ins, so there is a finish distribution of 2/2/4, and you can see how I normally play through all levels.

Feel free to take a look and tell me what I am doing that is so far wrong. If you were using these 22 tournies to teach a new player how to easily beat the 6.50s, what would you tell him to do differently than I'm already doing? What leaks can be fixed that would take me from 0% to 15%?

http://pages.suddenlink.net/cdstephens/hh22.zip

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I'm down for this, I'm at work, will look through when I get a chance. Let me just say a couple things:

1) I think your attitude is great. You have decent sample size and you are willing to not scream "variance/luck/people suck/blah blah"

2) It's possible you were just very unlucky during that period.

How many tables at once have you been playing? Over what period of time have you been playing? (last week, last 10 months, what?)

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Well, that's the problem. It's easy to yell variance/luck/people suck, but it doesn't make any mathematical sense. Clearly I'm doing something wrong, but I can't tell what.

I've been playing SnGs for 18 months, >7K total. After yet another downswing, I moved down to the 6.50s, where I had about 500 already, at 7%, and have played about 1500 in the past two months. Now I'm about .31% over 2K. The 22 tournies posted were over my last two day period.

I normally play four tables in sets.

[TheCat]

Limping with a small pair I'd say is mandatory from any position in early rounds. prefer that to AQ, AK where you have to raise, make a continuation bet and generally put your stack in jepordy.

If you get rasied, call if raise less than 10% of your stack, otherwise fold. Never call vs one opponent if raise is more than 10% of your stack. I think it's mathmatically correct to call at 5% but most folk go to 10%.

[Stevens65]

POKERSTARS GAME #9006454634: TOURNAMENT #45788280, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/03/20 - 21:30:17 (ET)
Table '45788280 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Chemical502 (6360 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2665 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (1150 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (720 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1685 in chips)
kappertje: posts small blind 50
pokerface8: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [7c Ac]
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: folds
kappertje: calls 50


I would push here

some hands later, I push preflop

POKERSTARS GAME #9006522594: TOURNAMENT #45788280, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 21:34:16 (ET)
Table '45788280 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Chemical502 (5095 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (3590 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (2660 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1235 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ks 9s]
kappertje: calls 150
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks

[Pocketbear]

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I think it's mathmatically correct to call at 5% but most folk go to 10%.

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10% of effective stack, I'd add. Because if villain raises to 100 having only 400 behind, you can't call even if you have 1500, because you're not getting correct implied odds.

[Guthrie]

No, not tilty. I actually have a reason for both, maybe not the correct reason, but a reason.

It took me awhile, but I became a firm believer in the gap concept. I'd always rather push than call. In the first hand, he's probably not pushing complete junk here, and with 44, he's almost certainly going to have two overcards. I'd just rather not risk 1/3 of my stack calling at best a coinflip. Later in the game, definitely, but not here.

In the second hand, opposite situation. Even with my pathetic stats for getting called, there's still a 60% chance he'll fold and I get the blinds. If he calls, 65s is not a terrible hand to get caught with.

I didn't have enough hands on either of these guys that a read would make a lot of difference.

[vbm]

OP you have a good attitude. I havent read the HHs but I would ask if you have played 5000+ games. How many tables are you playing at once ?

Maybe cut down ?

[Stevens65]

I went over some HHs and found some hands which I would play differently.

POKERSTARS GAME #8993287958: TOURNAMENT #45723432, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/03/20 - 01:19:08 (ET)
Table '45723432 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: huligun (3160 in chips)
Seat 4: EuraDoosh (6060 in chips)
Seat 5: Gorvad (1215 in chips)
Seat 6: SPLASHINPOTS (1165 in chips)
Seat 9: mizzenboy (1900 in chips)
Gorvad: posts small blind 50
SPLASHINPOTS: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [8h Ah]
mizzenboy: folds
huligun: folds
EuraDoosh: raises 100 to 200
Gorvad: folds
SPLASHINPOTS: folds
EuraDoosh collected 250 from pot

Without special reads I don’t give chipleader's minraise much credit so I push here preflop.


POKERSTARS GAME #8993460146: TOURNAMENT #45723602, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (100/200) - 2007/03/20 - 01:35:33 (ET)
Table '45723602 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: Gorvad (3905 in chips)
Seat 4: csmith37660 (4085 in chips)
Seat 5: hghrllr177 (1910 in chips)
Seat 7: Slade222 (3600 in chips)
Gorvad: posts the ante 25
csmith37660: posts the ante 25
hghrllr177: posts the ante 25
Slade222: posts the ante 25
Gorvad: posts small blind 100
csmith37660: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [8c 8s]
hghrllr177: calls 200
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: calls 100
csmith37660: checks

I push this preflop more often than I raise to 800. I never complete here.


POKERSTARS GAME #8993521170: TOURNAMENT #45723602, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (200/400) - 2007/03/20 - 01:41:39 (ET)
Table '45723602 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: Gorvad (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: csmith37660 (815 in chips)
Seat 5: hghrllr177 (4365 in chips)
Seat 7: Slade222 (6850 in chips)
Gorvad: posts the ante 25
csmith37660: posts the ante 25
hghrllr177: posts the ante 25
Slade222: posts the ante 25
Gorvad: posts small blind 200
csmith37660: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [2c 3d]
hghrllr177: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: raises 1045 to 1445 and is all-in

I don’t think you have enough FE to push here. But not really sure about that.



POKERSTARS GAME #8993264917: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL III (25/50) - 2007/03/20 - 01:17:03 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 2: Slade222 (1165 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 5: ttocs15 (2402 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (1660 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (1625 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1200 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (2105 in chips)
ttocs15: posts small blind 25
ohead: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Ad Jd]
DummAce: calls 50
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: folds
Slade222: folds
Gorvad: folds
ttocs15: calls 25
ohead: checks

Although I think foldng is ok, I limp here on the button. Too loose?



POKERSTARS GAME #8993375621: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 01:27:21 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6902 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (725 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1125 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1405 in chips)
daveyjoerger: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [As Ts]
ohead: folds
DummAce: folds
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: raises 1575 to 1725 and is all-in
Gorvad: folds

I have a hard time folding Ats in that spot. I would sharkscope villain. If he knows what he’s doing I call.


POKERSTARS GAME #8993452962: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (100/200) - 2007/03/20 - 01:34:50 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: Gorvad (3433 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6977 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1117 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1973 in chips)
Gorvad: posts the ante 25
ohead: posts the ante 25
rjobi: posts the ante 25
EuraDoosh: posts the ante 25
ohead: posts small blind 100
rjobi: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Jh Kc]
EuraDoosh: folds
Gorvad: folds
ohead: folds

I raise 600, folding to ohead’s push and calling shorty’s push.

[Shillx]

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POKERSTARS GAME #8993375621: TOURNAMENT #45723630, $6.00+$0.50 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2007/03/20 - 01:27:21 (ET)
Table '45723630 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: daveyjoerger (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: Gorvad (1618 in chips)
Seat 6: ohead (6902 in chips)
Seat 7: DummAce (725 in chips)
Seat 8: rjobi (1125 in chips)
Seat 9: EuraDoosh (1405 in chips)
daveyjoerger: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [As Ts]
ohead: folds
DummAce: folds
rjobi: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
daveyjoerger: raises 1575 to 1725 and is all-in
Gorvad: folds

I have a hard time folding Ats in that spot. I would sharkscope villain. If he knows what he’s doing I call.

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Well there's your problem Guthrie

[braminc]

yea, thats a mega insta call from sb vs. bb barring the most amazing read of the tightest 6.50 player of all time

[curtains]

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Seat 1: Chemical502 (5980 in chips)
Seat 3: Gorvad (920 in chips)
Seat 5: kappertje (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerface8 (810 in chips)
Seat 7: CFriedSteak (1340 in chips)
Seat 9: bigreaper (1535 in chips)
Chemical502: posts small blind 75
Gorvad: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gorvad [Qs 8c]
kappertje: calls 150
pokerface8: folds
CFriedSteak: folds
bigreaper: folds
Chemical502: folds
Gorvad: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Jd]
Gorvad: checks
kappertje: bets 150
Gorvad: folds

I push this flop ... and am wondering if this is my leak or his?


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WTF This is sosososososo bad never fold here.

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yea it seems very bad