I can get one for sure, but can I stack two donkeys?

[amoeba]

There is no alternative aside from push on this turn.


you don't want a diamond to hit. You don't want the board to pair. Thats a lot of cards you don't want to hit.

please put it in.

[Nick Royale]

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Raising to $140 is dumb - either I push or call, but betting in between makes no sense here.

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Raising to anything can be good unless you think that will make them realise how strong you are.

[Landlord79]

Looks to me like both of these idiots are calling no matter what. I really didn't see what the delima was w/ this hand, 2 calling stations reraising against your nuts w/ a redraw? Offer them the worst odds possible and hope that MP3 doesn't fill up on the river. May be a split situation as well, hope that BB calls.

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I would reraise preflop if you are going to play the hand. You are OOP and against these maniacs you have to narrow down the field. I know you should (normaly) see a cheap flop with SC but your hand is pretty strong and OOP I would raise in order to use a scare card on flop (if it comes one).

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This is completely off. Why would you like to get it HU (maybe 3-ways) OOP vs a LAG in a big pot with SC? What's your plan for the flop? You'll probably end up spewing or just check/folding unless you hit something, and SCs don't often hit anything with SD value, which you like against a LAG. Getting to the flop cheap and multiway is the best line here.

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As I said, its a different line to the way the hand was played. The ABC poker is the way it was played here but sometimes I wanna play my SC differently.

Its really MP that is the agressor post flop here (there is no stats on him, only the button and the BB. But if MP=Button I still wanna raise some times). If I raise preflop I could use an Ace on the flop as my scare card. If LAG is limping I put them on a low/middle par or a couple of face cards or FD. If an Ace comes and I bet and villain raise me I´m out if I dont get a piece of the flop .

I just find it very hard to play against these type of opponents and I am really trying to play these hands different ways to mix up and develop my game.

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If your line was a "I play this way 2% of the time to mix it up"-line, then you need to state it in your first post. But fact is, most often you don't need to mix it up against lags and as a standard line your line is silly. And playing lags oop is not as easy as you make it, they will float with nothing and bluff alot. SC doesn't fare well HU oop against them.

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I agree that (in general) SC is not good HU against LAG´s, and it´s NOT my standard line. But the whole idea of this forum is to discuss hands and come up with alternative solution to different problems, right? I really appreciate the discussion!

However, going back to the hand I hope you understand that the line played in the hand is good played but my intention was to highlight a differnt line to get a discussion going...

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Yeah ur line works if u know ur going to flop the monster draw that you flopped...but you dont...so does your raise of 89s oop accomplish? Its not for value since 9 high is almost never good, and you cant gain position by doing so. For deception? Your giving up to much being oop to do it this time.

Now if we change this to you being on the button then yeah i can see it being a decent play...but oop its probably a money loser especially against people who are willing to call down light