BBC shows long Muslim propaganda videos during News (challange inside)

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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our foreign policies are in some small way responsible for what happens aren't they?
and we are ins some way responsble for that aren't we?


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Sovereign countries are free to pursue their national interests.
If a country initiates violence against another then the victimize country is justified to initiate violence in return. Iran is initiating violence against the USA/UK via armed agents and terrorism. So I want to crush the Iranian economy by lighting their oil fields up like a birthday cake. Then they won't have the money to spread violence outside their borders.

I don't know if this is intentional but you sound like a self-loathing Brit. In the the USA we have lots of self-loathing Americans. Holding the Iranians accountable for their violence against the USA/UK is not a vice. it is a virture. Love of country and culture is not a vice either...

[chezlaw]

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our foreign policies are in some small way responsible for what happens aren't they?
and we are ins some way responsble for that aren't we?



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Sovereign countries are free to pursue their national interests.
If a country initiates violence against another then the victimize country is justified to initiate violence in return. Iran is initiating violence against the USA/UK via armed agents and terrorism. So I want to crush the Iranian economy by lighting their oil fields up like a birthday cake. Then they won't have the money to spread violence outside their borders.

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Fine but don't pretend that the innocents you kill are any more responsible that you.

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I don't know if this is intentional but you sound like a self-loathing Brit. In the the USA we have lots of self-loathing Americans. Holding the Iranians accountable for their violence against the USA/UK is not a vice. it is a virture. Love of country and culture is not a vice either...

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Don't be silly, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are self-loathing or have any problem with their country in general. It just means we think you are wrong and dangerous, probably the same as you think about us.

chez

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Don't be silly, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are self-loathing or have any problem with their country in general. It just means we think you are wrong and dangerous, probably the same as you think about us.

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If I have misinterpreted your past words then I apologize.
However, you words are earily similar to a batter wife that tells the police she deserved to be smacked around. The US/UK troops do not deserved to be killed by Iranian agents... If the US/UK troops were in Iran, then you could make argument that they had a casus belli to do so.

If Iran wants to pursue diplomatic actions to thwart American interests in Iraq then that is their right. If they choose to initate violence against American/UK soldiers, then there needs to be a violent response in return. The Iranians drew first blood. My opinion is we need to crush the Iranian's means to wage war by crippling their economy... I argue that bombing their oil fields will accomplish that and perhaps lead to the downfall of their evil regime.

This Iranian regime has a history of initiating violence on others. I have already cited the example of them attcking neutral tankers in the Persian Gulf during the Iran-Iraq War. Reagan responded by sinking 1/2 the Iranian fleet in a single day. Iran crumpled like a cheap suit. Gunboat diplomacy works when properly applied....

[NeBlis]

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The Iranians have drew first blood.

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awwww [censored] they done it now !!!

NeBlis

[ojc02]

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Should I remined everyone once more of the Jewish laywer from the ACLU defending the American Nazis' right to march through Jewish-inhabited Skokie, Illinois? (link) A truly glorious page in American history, that.

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Mikey, isn't this a clear freedom of speech issue? When people are prevented from doing things like this (as odious as they may be) it only gives them ammunition to use against us.

See also the case of the disgusting David Irving who was jailed in Austria for denying the holocaust. Now muslim extremists actually have some precedent to go to when demanding that images of the prophet not be used in newspapers or magazines etc.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Now muslim extremists actually have some precedent to go to when demanding that images of the prophet not be used in newspapers or magazines etc.

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There is a website that sells t-shirts with that cartoon of Mohammed on the front that caused all the riots. I have worn my mohammed t-shirt several times but nobody knows what it means. One person said to me, "I like your pirate t-shirt". [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[nicky g]

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Last night, they did a story on "US up against tough propaganda campaign" after that helicopter video went up.

They spent about 45 seconds showing Hummers getting blown up and videos of clerics blessing a mortor before some guy drops a shell in it.

Right now, they are doing a story on Hamas showing them celebrating.


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I mean, it's not as if these things are at all newsworthy.

[bdk3clash]

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Should I remined everyone once more of the Jewish laywer from the ACLU defending the American Nazis' right to march through Jewish-inhabited Skokie, Illinois? (link) A truly glorious page in American history, that.

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Mikey, isn't this a clear freedom of speech issue? When people are prevented from doing things like this (as odious as they may be) it only gives them ammunition to use against us.

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He wasn't being sarcastic.

"I hate Illinois Nazis."

[chezlaw]

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Don't be silly, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are self-loathing or have any problem with their country in general. It just means we think you are wrong and dangerous, probably the same as you think about us.


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If I have misinterpreted your past words then I apologize.
However, you words are earily similar to a batter wife that tells the police she deserved to be smacked around. The US/UK troops do not deserved to be killed by Iranian agents... If the US/UK troops were in Iran, then you could make argument that they had a casus belli to do so.

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I've no ideas how you get that interpretation. Closer would be that its a bad plan to kill all the people the wife-batterer happened to grow up with or all his familly but there's no great way to make sense of your intrepretation.

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Gunboat diplomacy works when properly applied....

[/ QUOTE ] Sure and applied badly by the incompetent and the callous is a complete disaster for all concerned.

BTW I don't think this is gunboat diplomacy, that was a cheap bluff where it was considered there was relatively little chance of being called.

chez

[Mickey Brausch]

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Should I remined everyone once more of the Jewish lawyer from the ACLU defending the American Nazis' right to march through Jewish-inhabited Skokie, Illinois? (link) A truly glorious page in American history, that.

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Isn't this a clear freedom of speech issue? When people are prevented from doing things like this (as odious as they may be) it only gives them ammunition to use against us.

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He wasn't being sarcastic.



[/ QUOTE ]Thanks, bdk3clash. I didn't undertand what ojc02 meant by his post but now I do. He thought I was being sarcastic. But I wasn't. I truly believe that that was a truly glorious page in American history.