To Induce, or Not to Induce

[elindauer]

you got it.

[BigDan9]

Hand 1: Calling a TAG in the BB with Q8s? Urrggghhh! I appreciate you're getting better than 3 to 1 pot odds, but I think playing with that kind of hand out of position, and against that kind of player, must have a -EV.

Hand 2: Against a passive player, I'd bet the turn (and fold to a c/r or check/fold the river). Against an aggressive player, I'd check the turn and call (or bet if checked to) on the river.

[James.]

hey bigdan,

pf is sooooo standard for me. and if you think about it, i could even say i'm getting more like 4-1 b/c he will bet when checked to always on the flop. nope, no fold for me.

[BigDan9]

Fair enough, mate, but perhaps I'm just not as comfortable playing that sort of hand out of position. Given that you'll miss the flop about 2 in 3 times (with just Q high to play with) and that you'll be dominated some of the time that you do hit, I'm not convinced. Still, I've had a bad run of cards recently and am probably playing a little tighter than usual at the moment!

[Chino987]

calling PF here is lighting money on fire.

[James.]

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calling PF here is lighting money on fire.

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hand 1

folds to MP3(19/12/3.2)who raises

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sigh. IT'S AN OPEN RAISE FROM THE FREAKIN' CUTOFF PEOPLE! HE IS NOT RAISING UTG FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

[Chino987]

This doesnt change the fact that your hand sucks, the pot is tiny, and you are OOP. Now, if this guy was bullying your blind like everytime, itd be different. Until that happens let the thing go.

[James.]

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This doesnt change the fact that your hand sucks, the pot is tiny, and you are OOP. Now, if this guy was bullying your blind like everytime, itd be different. Until that happens let the thing go.

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it sucks? give me a range for a 12%PFR open raising from the HJ with at least one(me)tight blind. guess what, it's wide. my hand is not a 3-1 underdog to his range. if you think it is, will you show me?

[Purgatory]

James:

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ive me a range for a 12%PFR open raising from the HJ with at least one(me)tight blind. guess what, it's wide. my hand is not a 3-1 underdog to his range.

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I am with you all the way here....this is an easy pf call vs a guy with those stats.

But is there any hand that is a 3:1 dog to his range?

chino, james' right. specify a hand range for CO, given his stats and his position, run 3 billions simulations, and u'll see that you're getting good odds. even though you might be dominated sometimes. even though you're oop. it's just maths.