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#21
01-25-2007, 04:45 AM
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Re: turn bet
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[ QUOTE ] I think the call preflop is fine. [/ QUOTE ] Ya, I dunno. I knew I would get 5 ways multiway, with a possibly opportunity to c/r a LP flop bet. I don't love it, but I don't hate it either. Plus I sort of go out of my way to play more pots these days. [ QUOTE ] I don't really know what you're thinking about on the flop but that is just a fold. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Fish call with the field to act. This is retarded. [ QUOTE ] How is this turn a must bet? No one is folding anything, there is a good chance you get raised here, and a legitimate chance that you are drawing stone dead. [/ QUOTE ] I"m not at all worried about drawing dead. I" dont' think I'm winning u/i. I bet in the hopes of seeing the turn for one bet. Given my flop play, my image, the weirdness of my bet, I thought it was a pretty good play. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand how betting this turn or checking this turn changes how much you pay to see a river card. Just think about it. 
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#22
01-25-2007, 05:10 AM
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Re: turn bet
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I don't understand how betting this turn or checking this turn changes how much you pay to see a river card. Just think about it. [/ QUOTE ] when brett checks the turn, taggy guy will bet and will is going to raise. if brett bets the turn he could freeze up the action since his hand looks like a monster and many hands that would have bet or raised the turn may just call.
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#23
01-25-2007, 06:52 AM
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Re: turn bet
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[ QUOTE ] I don't understand how betting this turn or checking this turn changes how much you pay to see a river card. Just think about it. [/ QUOTE ] when brett checks the turn, taggy guy will bet and will is going to raise. if brett bets the turn he could freeze up the action since his hand looks like a monster and many hands that would have bet or raised the turn may just call. [/ QUOTE ] Yes I understand this concept of a donk bet on the turn as being used as a no limit type block bet to see the river for cheap strategy. However, if deranged is an expert player, and that's what Brett has classified him as being I'm assuming, then why would he think Brett wouldn't try to check raise or check 3 bet two guys on the turn with his monster? Given the action on the flop where the button wasn't the last aggressor and the guy in the middle WAS the last aggressor, I think any monster here would try to check raise both players on the turn here right? So pretty much all this rambling is leading to is that I think that deranged's action on the turn matters very little about what Brett does. Therefore I think check calling is best for Brett here since betting out really will accomplish nothing.
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#24
01-25-2007, 09:34 AM
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Re: turn bet
First of all if I knew I could check-call and see the turn for one I would. I also don't think Deranged has a monster, this I've said. I thought and still think I have a higher liklihood of seeing the turn for one bet this way. I don't think Deranged has all that much, really, but I do think he could raise the turn here with a lot of hands he doesn't love to try to get it HU with the flop c/r'er.
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#25
01-25-2007, 12:50 PM
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Re: turn bet
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't understand how betting this turn or checking this turn changes how much you pay to see a river card. Just think about it. [/ QUOTE ] when brett checks the turn, taggy guy will bet and will is going to raise. if brett bets the turn he could freeze up the action since his hand looks like a monster and many hands that would have bet or raised the turn may just call. [/ QUOTE ] Yes I understand this concept of a donk bet on the turn as being used as a no limit type block bet to see the river for cheap strategy. However, if deranged is an expert player, and that's what Brett has classified him as being I'm assuming, then why would he think Brett wouldn't try to check raise or check 3 bet two guys on the turn with his monster? Given the action on the flop where the button wasn't the last aggressor and the guy in the middle WAS the last aggressor, I think any monster here would try to check raise both players on the turn here right? So pretty much all this rambling is leading to is that I think that deranged's action on the turn matters very little about what Brett does. Therefore I think check calling is best for Brett here since betting out really will accomplish nothing. [/ QUOTE ] You have absolutely no idea what the bet is trying to accomplish or, for that matter, any sense of what range of hands Will might have.
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#26
01-25-2007, 01:56 PM
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Re: turn bet
Bret - i forgot to tell you yesterday, you played this hand like a retard. Until the turn. At least you know it was retarded - until the turn. Thank you for sharing your retarded hand - until the turn. I am happy to see that by the turn you are no longer retarded.
TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#27
01-25-2007, 02:00 PM
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Re: turn bet
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Bret - i forgot to tell you yesterday, you played this hand like a retard. Until the turn. At least you know it was retarded - until the turn. Thank you for sharing your retarded hand - until the turn. I am happy to see that by the turn you are no longer retarded. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I was only "special" on the flop. Pre-flop is eh. The turn is super.
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#28
01-25-2007, 02:01 PM
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Re: turn bet
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[ QUOTE ] Bret - i forgot to tell you yesterday, you played this hand like a retard. Until the turn. At least you know it was retarded - until the turn. Thank you for sharing your retarded hand - until the turn. I am happy to see that by the turn you are no longer retarded. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I was only "special" on the flop. Pre-flop is eh. The turn is super. [/ QUOTE ] I think I will not classify you as an idiot savant on the turn. I love it. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#29
01-25-2007, 04:37 PM
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Re: turn bet
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't understand how betting this turn or checking this turn changes how much you pay to see a river card. Just think about it. [/ QUOTE ] when brett checks the turn, taggy guy will bet and will is going to raise. if brett bets the turn he could freeze up the action since his hand looks like a monster and many hands that would have bet or raised the turn may just call. [/ QUOTE ] Yes I understand this concept of a donk bet on the turn as being used as a no limit type block bet to see the river for cheap strategy. However, if deranged is an expert player, and that's what Brett has classified him as being I'm assuming, then why would he think Brett wouldn't try to check raise or check 3 bet two guys on the turn with his monster? Given the action on the flop where the button wasn't the last aggressor and the guy in the middle WAS the last aggressor, I think any monster here would try to check raise both players on the turn here right? So pretty much all this rambling is leading to is that I think that deranged's action on the turn matters very little about what Brett does. Therefore I think check calling is best for Brett here since betting out really will accomplish nothing. [/ QUOTE ] You have absolutely no idea what the bet is trying to accomplish or, for that matter, any sense of what range of hands Will might have. [/ QUOTE ] I 100% know what he's trying to accomplish by this bet. You've played new york city club games before. You really think this donk bet is a good idea in this type of game?
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#30
01-25-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: turn bet
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't understand how betting this turn or checking this turn changes how much you pay to see a river card. Just think about it. [/ QUOTE ] when brett checks the turn, taggy guy will bet and will is going to raise. if brett bets the turn he could freeze up the action since his hand looks like a monster and many hands that would have bet or raised the turn may just call. [/ QUOTE ] Yes I understand this concept of a donk bet on the turn as being used as a no limit type block bet to see the river for cheap strategy. However, if deranged is an expert player, and that's what Brett has classified him as being I'm assuming, then why would he think Brett wouldn't try to check raise or check 3 bet two guys on the turn with his monster? Given the action on the flop where the button wasn't the last aggressor and the guy in the middle WAS the last aggressor, I think any monster here would try to check raise both players on the turn here right? So pretty much all this rambling is leading to is that I think that deranged's action on the turn matters very little about what Brett does. Therefore I think check calling is best for Brett here since betting out really will accomplish nothing. [/ QUOTE ] You have absolutely no idea what the bet is trying to accomplish or, for that matter, any sense of what range of hands Will might have. [/ QUOTE ] I 100% know what he's trying to accomplish by this bet. You've played new york city club games before. You really think this donk bet is a good idea in this type of game? [/ QUOTE ] What do you think the result of the donk bet is? What do you think may happen if he doesn't lead into the turn? Considering the size of the pot, whats Brett's best chance to see a river and still get the correct pot odds for his miracle cards??? Oh Yeah... thats a great bet! TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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