Practical workarounds for US players

[kevstreet]

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I live right near the Canadian border and own a passport. I was going to inquire about establishing an address there, but it appears that it won't make a differnce because of my ISP. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I keep holding out hope that there's a way to make this work but the future is bleak.

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I don't know whether this is has been brought up... but what about simply moving to Canada? I don't play poker full time, I have a career as an aerospace engineer. Does anyone know whether Canadian law would allow me to get an engineering job there and move?

I am so sick of the tyrannical U.S. government, I would seriously consider doing that even if I stopped playing online poker.

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What happened to our country? The last six years have been a mess!

[mwgr5]

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What happened to our country? The last six years have been a mess!

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George Bush & Bill Frist

[Brad1970]

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George Bush & Bill Frist

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Exactly!

[bills217]

Would it be necessary to have a foreign bank account as long as you have a foreign address?

For example, I have a friend in Canada whose address I could use. Currently I have my Neteller linked to an online savings account that has no B&M locations (although I do believe it is run out of the US). Could I have my Canadian friend set up a Neteller account and then run it through one of my online savings accounts? Would the name on the bank account need to match the name on the Neteller account?

Also, there's the e-mail address issue, as your Neteller address always needs to match your e-mail address with the merchant (as far as I know). If I closed my current Neteller account, could I re-open another one with a Canadian address and the same e-mail address I used before? What if I changed the e-mail address on the old one prior to closing?

(Obv. I could always just get a new e-mail account to run everything through but right now I run everything through one address and it would take ages to switch everything.)

[Ribsauce]

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What happened to our country? The last six years have been a mess!

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George Bush & Bill Frist

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*not a support of the republican party by any means

[BiPolar_Nut]

ID is really the only problem. I have info for mail forwarding, Canadian Ph#, banking, internet traffic re-routing (and anyone using findnot is playing with fire. Findnot is often used for fraud and I've heard of people (through 2+2 PM's) that Using Neteller from a findnot IP has on occasion resulted in funds seizure. I wouldn't trust them).

I also know of people recently who have been allowed to deposit on Party, only to have their account locked within 2 minutes until a photo ID was sent. The ID must contain a photo, address, and date of birth. You could easily whip up some bogus corporate ID, but I doubt they'd be taken seriously because what corp ID's have your home address and DOB (especially the DOB...think legal exposure to age discrimination suits)?

Sorry for the lack of specific info, but since Party and other US-unfriendly site reps surely monitor these forums, I'd rather save detailed discussion for a private think tank. (BTW, for those of you who don't know me, I'm mainly a CTH poster...and putting together a data solution was what prompted me to research this issue. I've learned quite a bit in this area, data and otherwise in the past few months and lots of popular workarounds have significant risks).

[RobDoral]

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George Bush & Bill Frist

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*not a support of the republican party by any means

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It took an election year where no one wanted to go out on a limb to defend gambling after the Abramoff scandal to screw us. It WAS a handful of Republican legislators who screwed us specifically using what amounted to a legislative gimmick but most of them (Republicans, Democrats, etc.) probably didn't give a crap one way or the other until they had to vote yay or nay. Weren't they fond of telling us it's OUR money, we can spend it better than Congress?

[bills217]

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George Bush & Bill Frist

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*not a support of the republican party by any means

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It took an election year where no one wanted to go out on a limb to defend gambling after the Abramoff scandal to screw us. It WAS a handful of Republican legislators who screwed us specifically using what amounted to a legislative gimmick but most of them (Republicans, Democrats, etc.) probably didn't give a crap one way or the other until they had to vote yay or nay. Weren't they fond of telling us it's OUR money, we can spend it better than Congress?

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GET THE [censored] POLITICS OUT OF THIS [censored] THREAD. WE HAVE A WHOLE [censored] FORUM FOR THAT.

Edited to add: TWO [CENSORED] FORUMS IF YOU COUNT LEGISLATION.

[RuFFNeXX]

Bluesbassman, and any other American looking at Canada as an option. I'm a Canadian citizen living in the US and I'm a testamony to how easy it is to live in either country. In any case, there is a provision in chapter 16 of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which allows Canadians and Americans to work and live in either country provided they work in one of the professions listed in NAFTA's chapter 16. That's how I've been able to live and work in the US for quite a while now (I'm in my second decade). You being an Aerospace Engineer should certainly qualify so long as you can secure a job in Canada as an Engineer. I'm not a lawyer but I consulted with one before I submitted my first application under this provision. After having gone through the system for many years I've become somewhat of an expert (short of being a lawyer). I also have many friends from school and ran into many colleagues who went this route. In fact, I've directly helped 4 people live in the US via this route. It's much easier than people think. If you want more info feel free to PM me. You can also do a google search on NAFTA chapter 16. Additionally, page 13 of the following pdf document gives a brief outline of the requirements for each profession: http://www.worldtradelaw.net/nafta/chap-16.pdf.

Canada is a great place to live if you don't mind the cold. Many argue it's a better place to live than the US and I agree with them on most points. I could go on and list the numerous benefits but that's another topic. Needless to say, the cold was what did it for me. If it came down to me giving up poker for where I live I would gladly give up online poker (fortunately, I don't have to - at least not yet). If you already live in a northern state the adjustment to the cold should be minimal to non-existant.

For those wishing to setup a Canadian bank account, keep in mind that most banks require some kind of government issued ID confirming you live in Canada. You may find banks that don't have this requirement but they might be in the minority.

Good luck.

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I have no idea if this would work but I will throw the idea out there.

The law past does not restrict all online gambling. I think betting on horse racing, for example, was permited. What stops a poker site, like Stars, from creating a horse racing site that is linked to Stars. When a player try to deposit they would be redirected to the horse racing deposit account. Then you could have echecks/credit card deposits to the horse racing account. Once the money was in that account it could be transfered to the players "poker account" on the Stars poker site. Everything would be connected in a "Stars gaming network" and horce racing would just be a way to allow deposits.

Just an idea I had. I'm guessing there is something wrong with it or else it would have been implemented, but I would like to know what is wrong with the idea.