HELP !!!! How do people call this ????

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Kill yourself preflop.

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Excuse me ?

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theres unorthodox, then theres bad. limping QJ with 8 BB then calling a raise for half your stack is bad. shoving 4x pot there is bad. a standard bet would do the same thing.

also, i dont worship anyone, they are simply players. but their unorthodox plays? they have reasons for them. and they arent near as bad as yours. your reasons are no good. do you expect someone to believe you would shove the nuts there?

just cause you got a worse hand to call doesnt always mean it was a good play.

actually i dont minraise. cause its a play mostly for donks. i can get away from aces anytime i feel im beat, it is only 1 pair. UTG limping with AA is usually no good either.

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dude, havent read all the replies but in your 2nd hand, that clearly appears to be a stop'n'go just by your calling OOP with a short stack. if the villian in that hand has any sense what so ever, thats is almost an instacall with AK and a few other drawing hands.

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IT IS a form of a stop and go, except I hit the flop good, but not great. I obviously was vunerable to an outdraw which is why I overbet the pot to win it right there.
I'm still having trouble how you're justifying villians Instcall here with JUST a draw to a higher pair, and nothing else.
I could see if he was 4 flushing or we were talking about a JTx board were now he picked up 4 other outs (any Queen) for the str8.

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you need to stop concentrating on your OPPONENTS play and look at your own.

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One, I really appreciate you keeping this civil.
The first hand where I limp with QJ, and then call a raise, I posted as a contrast to the second hand where in the first, I admit that villian had every right to call considering stack sizes, position, etc., and stated I had no problem with the outcome.
The second hand were you recommend I make a standard raise, my feeling is that gives villian an oppurtunity to reraise and get me to fold the better hand (on the flop) since I have fold equity. I felt by overbetting first to act, it left him with fold/call option vs. fold/call/reraise option.

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Why not ?? How can it be anything other than a good play ?

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you need to stop concentrating on your OPPONENTS play and look at your own.

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For the love of God, and for the last time, I got an opponent to call as a 3 to 1 underdog , getting about 1.2-1.3 to 1 pot odds, for about 75% of his stack, and you are criticizing this as a bad play ???
What do you consider a good play ?? Really.

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plays that make sense

shoving 4x pot doesnt make much sense. i personally would check/shove. let him put $ into the pot. then he should fold to the shove unless he pot commited himself, or he overvalues AK. even if the raiser has AA, you have 13 outs twice

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Is the point of this post anything other than to whine about "bad beats" (which the first one was...not)?

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you need to stop concentrating on your OPPONENTS play and look at your own.

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For the love of God, and for the last time, I got an opponent to call as a 3 to 1 underdog , getting about 1.2-1.3 to 1 pot odds, for about 75% of his stack, and you are criticizing this as a bad play ???
What do you consider a good play ?? Really.

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You are in a headsup freezeout. The blinds are 1/2. You and your opponent each have 1 million in chips. Your opponent says "if you go allin I will call with any pair, and fold anything else." You go allin with 33. He calls with 22 and you win. Good play?

And there is no justifying hand 1. Limping with 8 BB is so bad, but then calling half your stack in a raise. What if the flop comes 235? A74? Are you just folding? What if it's A74 with one diamond? Call for running diamonds? So very awful. It puts me on life tilt that someone like you has a 6 figure cash and still plays hands like this. F poker.