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the next thing will be blaming UN for about 400.000 deaths (and how many more?),

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In fact the most current and credible estimates (The Lancet) are suggesting that there has been 650,000 deaths in excess of those that would have happened under Saddam, due to the US intervention.

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the next thing will be blaming UN for about 400.000 deaths (and how many more?),

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In fact the most current and credible estimates (The Lancet) are suggesting that there has been 650,000 deaths in excess of those that would have happened under Saddam, due to the US intervention.

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If you think that 650,000 is credible you either didnt read their data gathering techniques or have no clue how demographic statistics are properly done.

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What was the reason for attacking another sovereign country? was it found? So, was the attack justified? From your words it seems this war was one of the best things the US ever made...

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The reasons why we needed to invade Iraq were:
1. The 1992 foiled assassination attempt on Bush41 in Kuwait in 1992.
2. Failure to abide by the terms of the armistice from the first Gulf War.
3. Any other reasons are tertiary to me.
*We found about 500 rounds of chemical weapons there might be more but if we don't find anymore then it won't matter to me.

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So, was the attack justified?

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Yes, when you try to kill an ex US-president then there needs to be consequences. If you sign an armistice then violate it, then there needs to be consequences.

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From your words it seems this war was one of the best things the US ever made...

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The invasion was the correct play. The execution of the war has BEEN LOUSY. Some blame Rumsfeld but I think Bush43 is to blame... The running of post-war IRAQ was terrible. If it were me I would have:
a. Establish public works projects to improve unemployment.
b. Either establish a Kurdish dictactorship over Iraq or partition Iraq into 3 different countries giving the Kurds a generous partition of the country.
c. Fired Gen Garner after 1-day. That man was terrible. He was a total incompentant in the running of post-war Iraq.
d. Arrest Sadr and his followers army the day they enter Iraq carryinng AK47 and RPGs and detain them for the duration of the occupation. What did Garner do? He disarmed them and let them go. Within the first week Sadr and his followers began assassinating pro-Western Imans. Later we indicted Sadr for murder but we couldn't find him. Then Bush made the decision to drop the indictment hoping the new govt would tame Sadr. Bad decision....
e. Establish martial law and shoot looters on sight. As the Arabs say, better 100 years of tyranny than one day of anarchy.
f. Bomb Syria and Iran when it became clear they were providing arms, agents, and money to kill US soldiers...

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Heil mr. President.

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Wow! Using the Nazi comparison 'argument'. I'm so impreseed....NOT!
I think Bush43 is an idiot on many issues but I think Bush43 is a GENIUS compared to the people that call him a Nazi... I wish we could ship eveyone who calls Bush a Nazi to Syria for 10 years so they could learn the meaning of that word.

[Poofler]

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f. Bomb Syria and Iran when it became clear they were providing arms, agents, and money to kill US soldiers...

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Most of that post disturbed me, but my jaw dropped when I saw this one. You really think it's time to try to spark a full on Middle East war right now?

[Mickey Brausch]

It is clearly to the interest of the United States to continue to be a member of the United Nations, generally speaking (some changes in the set-up might be needed in order to better serve American interests and aspirations). Which is why, in the real world, by the way, the United States continues to hold steadfastly onto their role in the U.N.

Anyone who argues for bolting out simply does not see things clearly. And if it's a conservative who argues for that, then the matter gets somewhat amusing.

Mickey Brausch

[ShakeZula06]

Most of those that want to leave the UN are upset because the UN had the gall to disagree with the US invading Iraq. Some might be because of the Mike New situation. But Almost everyone against the UN are against it because they think the American government knows best in every circumstance. They are also (legitameantly) scared of internationalism, which is the only reason I'm against the UN and other world bodies.

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They are also (legitameantly) scared of internationalism, which is the only reason I'm against the UN and other world bodies.

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Please explain the term, "internationalism."

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They are also (legitameantly) scared of internationalism, which is the only reason I'm against the UN and other world bodies.

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Please explain the term, "internationalism."

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in·ter·na·tion·al·ism /ˌɪntərˈnæ& #643;ənlˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-ter-nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the principle of cooperation among nations, for the promotion of their common good, sometimes as contrasted with nationalism, or devotion to the interests of a particular nation.
2. international character, relations, cooperation, or control.
3. (initial capital letter) the principles or methods of a communist or socialist International.


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n.
The condition or quality of being international in character, principles, concern, or attitude.
A policy or practice of cooperation among nations, especially in politics and economic matters.

in'ter·na'tion·al·ist n.

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WordNet - Cite This Source internationalism

noun
1. the doctrine that nations should cooperate because their common interests are more important than their differences [ant: nationalism]
2. quality of being international in scope; "he applauded the internationality of scientific terminology" [syn: internationality]

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internationalism


The view that nations should cooperate in international organizations, such as the United Nations, to settle disputes.


[Chapter:] World Politics

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They are also (legitameantly) scared of internationalism, which is the only reason I'm against the UN and other world bodies.

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Please explain the term, "internationalism."

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Internationalism is a political movement which advocates a greater economic and political cooperation between nations for the benefit of all. In today's world, Internationalism is most commonly expressed as an appreciation for the diverse cultures in the world, and a desire for world peace.

While internationalism in the cosmopolitanist context by definition implies cooperation among nations, and therefore the existence of nations, nationalism may focus purely on self-determination, and ignore other nations. When conflicts arise, however, ideological attacks upon the identity and legitimacy of the 'enemy' nationalism may become the focus.

The stated aims of the United Nations are to prevent war, to safeguard human rights, to provide a mechanism for international law, and to promote social and economic progress, improve living standards and fight diseases. It gives the opportunity for countries to balance global interdependence and national interests when addressing international problems.

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The Us will not leave the UN.
Instead it will use it when it serves there purpose and ignore it when it doesnt.