Why exactly is it bad etiquette to ask to see a losing showdown hand?

[Nate.]

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If someone asks to see another hand I usually ask "Do you think he is cheating?". They of course say "no". I then say you realize that you are accusing him of cheating when you ask to see his hand right?

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I think it's preferable to gently point out that etiquette dictates that you only ask to see a hand if you suspect cheating. For me a more direct, less confrontational comment is better, if I'm going to say anything at all. Usually I won't, for many reasons.

--Nate

[Nate.]

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If someone asks to see another hand I usually ask "Do you think he is cheating?". They of course say "no". I then say you realize that you are accusing him of cheating when you ask to see his hand right?

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Actually I think that's a good ploy, because once he admits that he's not doing it for the purpose of collusion (saying 'no'), doesnt that make IWTSTH illegal. I know some dealers who would look at it that way.

Unfortuanlly most dealers as soon as someone asks to the see the hand will flip it over right away before anyone gets a chance to say anything.

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Again, in many cardrooms the rule is that if you ask, you see, no questions, no problems. Also, good dealers will (in a general sense) avoid making big productions out of these sorts of things.

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[andyfox]

Don't kick a man when he's down.

[Nate.]

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Don't kick a man when he's down.

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Dead on as usual.

[Howard Beale]

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Don't kick a man when he's down.

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Well, then, let's include:



and

[goodsamaritan]

It depends on the situation. If a guy bets into me like crazy and I make a tough call, I have no qualms about asking to see his hand. I wanna whether he was betting with am naked AK, flush draw, 22, etc.

[chesspain]

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The dealer tells him to show but he refuses, and he won't muck either. So I tell the dealer IWTSTH and then show mine.

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If a player refused to show his cards even after being directed to by the dealer, I would say in a fairly loud voice "If he is refusing to show then he is conceding--please ship me the pot."

[Gonso]

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It depends on the situation. If a guy bets into me like crazy and I make a tough call, I have no qualms about asking to see his hand. I wanna whether he was betting with am naked AK, flush draw, 22, etc.

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'Asking' the player is not bad etiquette, if he wants to show. If he doesn't want to and mucks, and you insist on seeing them, then it is.

If someone wants to be a nit and play like this, don't be surprised when people start demanding to see your cards at every muck, or get nitty about your string bets, etc. The new guy usually catches on before too long.

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The dealer tells him to show but he refuses, and he won't muck either. So I tell the dealer IWTSTH and then show mine.

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Last time I saw this happen, the floor gave him to the count of three. When he didn't show, the hand was ruled dead.

[pokerfloor]

Lets not forget if he misread his hand and beats you he wins
and you just screwed yourself out of that pot

[plomahaaaa]

If you have to ask this question you are a douchebag