Art Monk robbed yet again. - Page 3

Daliman · #21 02-06-2006, 01:09 AM

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if you want monk in, you want issac bruce in.

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Sure. But you're wrong on your other post. When was he not the best reciever on his team?

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gary clark

1985 72 rec, 926 yd, 5td
1986 74 rec, 1265 yd, 7td
1987 56 rec, 1066 yd, 7td
1988 59 rec, 892 yd 7td
1989 79 rec, 1229 yd, 9td
1990 75 rec, 1112 yd, 8td
1991 70 rec, 1340 yd, 10td
1992 64 rec, 912 yd, 5td

career among league's top ten

rec 1986 10th 1987 t-9 1989 7th 1990 5th
rec yards 1986 4th 1987 3rd 1989 8th 1990 4th 1991 2nd
rec td 1987 t-7 1988 t-9 1989 t-6 1990 t-6 1991 t-5
yards from scrimmage 1991 7th

monk

1980 58/797/3
1981 56/894/6
1982 35/447/1
1983 47/746/5
1984 106/1372/7

then clark comes on the team...

1985 91/1226/2
1986 73/1068/4
1987 38/483/6
1988 72/946/5
1989 86/1186/8
1990 68/770/5
1991 71/1049/8
1992 46/644/3

league top tens

rec 1984 1st 1985 2nd 1988 t-9 1989 t-3
rec yards 1984 4th 1985 3rd 1989 10th
rec tds 1991 t-9

notice a pattern yet?

and if you wanna argue 1988, ricky sanders went 73/1148/12 that year and 80/1138/4 in 1989

edit - added pre-85 stats

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So, he leads clark in receptions in 4 of those years, and in one he played only 9 games to clark's 12, and Clark has only a slightly higher CPG that year, even without Monk taking away catches. Clark had more yards as the deep threat, like Moss, while Monk was more like Cris Carter Pretty weak argument. I don't see a pattern other than two recievers putting up solid #'s. Again, i'm not saying he was the best of all time or even top 10, but him not being in the HOF is a minor travesty.

bugstud · #22 02-06-2006, 04:01 AM

the nfl hall of fame is for those in the top ten, not top 20 or 40 or whatever monk is.

johnnybeef · #23 02-10-2006, 04:13 AM

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the nfl hall of fame is for those in the top ten, not top 20 or 40 or whatever monk is.

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Warren Moon is top Ten?

Dan hampton is top ten?

I do think the HOF is watered down though.

bugstud · #24 02-10-2006, 05:29 AM

I'm a bears fan and thought hampton was a stretch

bottomset · #25 02-14-2006, 03:41 PM

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Warren Moon is top Ten?

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he's closer to the top in a tougher position than Monk is to the top WRs

Bulldog · #26 02-14-2006, 05:13 PM

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Warren Moon is top Ten?

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Seasons among the league's top 10
Pass attempts: 1984-9, 1986-6, 1990-1, 1991-1, 1993-3, 1994-3, 1995-2, 1997-2
Completions: 1984-10t, 1989-8t, 1990-1, 1991-1, 1993-4, 1994-3, 1995-1, 1997-3
Passing yards: 1984-10, 1986-7, 1987-7, 1989-5, 1990-1, 1991-1, 1993-3, 1994-3, 1995-3, 1997-5
Passing TDs: 1987-7, 1989-7, 1990-1, 1991-5, 1992-8t, 1993-4, 1994-9, 1995-2, 1997-5
Adjusted yards per pass: 1988-3, 1989-5, 1990-4

Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 4
Completions: 4
Passing yards: 4
Passing TDs: 5

Also, 9 pro bowls.

MCS · #27 02-15-2006, 08:22 AM

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Sure, he only had 3 pro bowls

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That is pretty significant.

Personally, I'm fine if he gets in. But I do think there's a good case against him.

Also, I don't think the standard for the HoF should be "anyone better than the worst guy presently enshrined." Just because there are some guys there who shouldn't be doesn't mean we have to add more.