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| Every 100 hands. |
   
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17 | 12.50% |
| Every 500 hands. |
  
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37 | 27.21% |
| Every 1000 hands. |
  
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25 | 18.38% |
| Every 5000 hands. |
  
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19 | 13.97% |
| Every 10000 hands. |
  
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11 | 8.09% |
| Every 50000 hands. |
  
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3 | 2.21% |
| Almost never. |
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24 | 17.65% |
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#22
12-20-2006, 02:17 PM
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Re: Pf confusion
I think this is a pretty interesting thread, I am certainly still trying to get my barings but...
I think a large part of the decision to call,4 bet or push comes from how the oppent views you. If he sees you as a TAG pushing will probably mean AA or KK to him and he's gonna fold. In other words your FE is pretty high. If he sees you a bit looser than I think calling is the right play (given his range) and playing poker. And here your FE is pretty low. Maybe this is a basic idea but I think it should be said. Grunch, good post -- some interesting concepts that really got me thinking. 
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#23
12-20-2006, 02:32 PM
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Re: Pf confusion
Onobles, you basically repeated grunch but managed to say it in 10x less words. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#26
12-20-2006, 02:50 PM
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Re: Pf confusion
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[ QUOTE ] Onobles, you basically repeated grunch but managed to say it in 10x less words. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] you should have seen my full pm... [/ QUOTE ] I don't mind reading it actually, especially if its as good as you posted here. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#27
12-20-2006, 03:08 PM
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Re: Pf confusion
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Suppose that we have a villain who only 3-bets with the goods. Give him a range of {AA, KK, QQ, AK}. That's 3 +3 +6 +9 = 21 combinations of hands he could hold (given that we hold AK). Let's assume that he folds all but AA and KK to a push. You therefore have about 18.5% equity when called. [/ QUOTE ] I absolutely hate these assumptions. Both on the 3-Bet assumption, and the call assumption. I don't think it's even remotely close to reality.
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#28
12-20-2006, 03:21 PM
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Re: Pf confusion
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[ QUOTE ] Suppose that we have a villain who only 3-bets with the goods. Give him a range of {AA, KK, QQ, AK}. That's 3 +3 +6 +9 = 21 combinations of hands he could hold (given that we hold AK). Let's assume that he folds all but AA and KK to a push. You therefore have about 18.5% equity when called. [/ QUOTE ] I absolutely hate these assumptions. Both on the 3-Bet assumption, and the call assumption. I don't think it's even remotely close to reality. [/ QUOTE ] Did you read my post? If you did, you'd see that I didn't assume anything. I was illustrating that the correct play depends on the villain's range by describing a situation in which folding is clearly correct, and comparing it to another situation in which folding is terrible.
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#29
12-20-2006, 03:29 PM
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Re: Pf confusion
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Did you read my post? If you did, you'd see that I didn't assume anything. [/ QUOTE ] Are we playing semantics now? Lame. But oh well: [ QUOTE ] Let's assume in this case that he calls a push with QQ+ [/ QUOTE ] You gave two separate ranges, or as I call them, "assumptions." You can't make EV calcs without them. I don't think either range is realistic in either case. You can make an argument for folding KK if a villain will only push with AA, but we don't do that because it's not realistic to assume that.
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#30
12-20-2006, 03:44 PM
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Re: Pf confusion
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Onobles, you basically repeated grunch but managed to say it in 10x less words. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] you should have seen my full pm... [/ QUOTE ] I don't mind reading it actually, especially if its as good as you posted here. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Grunch post the whole thing. Or PM it please.
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