Ask me about being a Québec separatist - Page 3

TheDudeAbides · #21 12-14-2006, 02:53 PM

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3) What do you think of the FLQ crisis?

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I thought it was an event that told a lot of how things are working in Canada. Trudeau sent in the army for a dozen guys causing trouble and in the meantime put in prison all prominent pro-independance and union leaders. Did not do anything but went to prison as political prisoners without any trial.

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Come on now. A dozen guys causing trouble? Wrong. Way to misrepresent facts to further your cause. The FLQ is a terrorist organization responsible for over 200 bombings and the murder of five people. They kidnapped and murdered the Vice-Premier of Quebec in 1970. I will willingly listen to rational arguments about separatism, but dismissing a known terrorist organization as just guys causing trouble only discredits your arguments.

Hopey · #22 12-14-2006, 02:54 PM

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Population change with time and people who voted the last time are not there anymore and new ones will vote.

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Just keep making things unpleasant for the english and minorities, and you'll get your wish soon enough. I believe that was Jacques Parizeau's strategy, anyway.

KneeCo · #23 12-14-2006, 02:56 PM

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1) Do you realize that Quebec is not economically viable by itself*?
(If Alberta wants to go it alone thy got a shot, everyone else would be in a *substantially* worse position than they were before).

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That claim is just riduculous. Why would Quebec be less of a viable country than, say, Sweden, Finland or Switzerland?

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No it really isn't. Size of a country isn't indicative of strength of economy. Do the research.

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I don't think so at all. The thing is as french folks began to educate themselves more and starting business more and making things more in french, big businesses having always been run by anglophones bosses with french workers, did not accept that and just went away. I claim that businesses that go away because of political reasons are just english people frustrated to lose their power.

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Your not addressing the key issue here, the issue of big businesses that want to set up a factory/office/... in Canada. They used to often come to Quebec, now they avoid it like the plague.

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Population change with time and people who voted the last time are not there anymore and new ones will vote. I don't think democracy can decide one thing at one time and settles on it for eternity.

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But if the separatists did win the next referendum wouldn't your side argue that this the final word? You wouldn't expect a 'join Canada or not' referendum to follow, would you?

CasqueNoir · #24 12-14-2006, 02:56 PM

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1) What gives any province the right to declare itself
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The will of its people.

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2) What about the Cree Nation living in Quebec who certainly predate all Canadians? Would you plan on displacing them? Or just make them take French lessons?

[/ QUOTE ]I just thing it is fair to continue all programs that are to their benefits in Canada now and negociate with them as equal people to give them their own government body.

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3) How do you plan on supporting yourself economically? The Bank of Canada certainly won't. What would you use for currency? If the decision is made - why would the rest of Canada support Quebec at all (economically speaking)? Would Quebec plan on taking its share of the national debt along with it?

[/ QUOTE ]We can decide to continue using the Canadian currency for a time and then decide if it would be a good thing to introduce a new one. There has been talk also about a new North-American currecy (amero), maybe it will go sometime. Why would Canada support anything at all economically? No need to. Québec would take its share of the National debt along with its share of assets of course.

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4) The argument is often made that Quebec is unique. True. But so is Newfoundland, The Yukon, and virtually every other area of the country. That's what makes Canada so great. What makes Quebec so special that it deserves status as its own nation?

[/ QUOTE ]French culture. I don't know why a lot of people cannot aknowledge that fact.

Lazy Meatball · #25 12-14-2006, 02:56 PM

For all the non-French Canadians who argue against Seperatism, what would be the negative impact on the rest of Canada if Quebec became a seperate entity?

CasqueNoir · #26 12-14-2006, 02:58 PM

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Do you blame the english and "les ethniques" for all of Quebec's problems?

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Zurvan · #27 12-14-2006, 02:59 PM

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4) The argument is often made that Quebec is unique. True. But so is Newfoundland, The Yukon, and virtually every other area of the country. That's what makes Canada so great. What makes Quebec so special that it deserves status as its own nation?

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French culture. I don't know why a lot of people cannot aknowledge that fact.

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By that argument, Chinatown & Little Italy in Toronto should separate.

So should Newfoundland, which is definitely a distinct culture.

How about the territories? They are very different from the rest of Canada.

My point? This is a dumb argument.

In a country the size of Canada, there's many different cultures, and they are all a part of the country.

Hopey · #28 12-14-2006, 03:00 PM

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Do you blame the english and "les ethniques" for all of Quebec's problems?

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But if it wasn't for them, your side would have won the last two referendums.

Zurvan · #29 12-14-2006, 03:01 PM

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For all the non-French Canadians who argue against Seperatism, what would be the negative impact on the rest of Canada if Quebec became a seperate entity?

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1) I love my country, and think it should stay whole. This is the same reason most Americans would not want California or Texas to separate.
2) If they really wanted to separate, it wouldn't be so bad. Instead, they use the threat of separation to appeal to the patriotism of Canadians to gain all kinds of special treatment & perks from the rest of the country.

CasqueNoir · #30 12-14-2006, 03:01 PM

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Why is everyone in Canada so nice, yet everyone in Quebec such a miserable bastard?

[/ QUOTE ]I don't think I am that bad you miserable piece of s.... What are you talking about?

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Why would Canada want to keep Quebec?

[/ QUOTE ]I don't know. I asked some outsider folks at the big love in before the last referendum and they did not seem to know either.