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#21
02-03-2006, 01:44 PM
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Re: Too Perfect Flop -- What line do you take?
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wrong again. HIS odds are the odds that he will be able to make a hand that will win. [/ QUOTE ] OK, this is the definition that I provided earlier: Definition: "Giving your opponent the odds to call." = Making a bet so that your opponent's pot odds are greater than his hand odds. Tell me how that definition is wrong. Tell me what your definition is of "giving your opponent the odds to call." And please understand, I'm not talking about this particular hand. 
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#22
02-03-2006, 01:49 PM
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Re: Too Perfect Flop -- What line do you take?
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[ QUOTE ] wrong again. HIS odds are the odds that he will be able to make a hand that will win. [/ QUOTE ] OK, this is the definition that I provided earlier: Definition: "Giving your opponent the odds to call." = Making a bet so that your opponent's pot odds are greater than his hand odds. Tell me how that definition is wrong. Tell me what your definition is of "giving your opponent the odds to call." And please understand, I'm not talking about this particular hand. [/ QUOTE ] i wasn't stating that you definition was wrong (not arguing semantics). i was stating that it is wrong to say that you can not give an opponent odds to call if they are drawing dead. This is what i was saying is wrong. You CAN give them odds to draw to a hand, even though they DON'T KNOW they are drawing dead, as in the example I used. To say that giving an opponent odds to draw is -EV and that this is an ABSOLUTE, is incorrect, based on my point in the above paragraph.
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#23
02-03-2006, 02:12 PM
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Re: Too Perfect Flop -- What line do you take?
I don't really consider this to be a "too perfect" flop. It's a nice flop, a great flop even, but not a "perfect" flop. The only flops I consider "perfect" flops are those where the opponent has virtually no chance of catching up which to me would be in this case flopping the full house.
In those cases, I'll slow play the heck out of it. With a great flop like this, I play this very similar to how I would bet this if I had AK and missed. I would bet between 1/2 and 3/4 of the pot. Keeping your bets very similar no matter how good or bad a flop hits you will have the added benefit of keeping your opponents in the dark on the strength of your hand. How often do you see someone check a great flop like this and then the scariest card in the deck(ie, a Jack) hits the turn and then Hero totally overbets the Turn which results in either a fold or a catastrophic loss. If he's drawing, make him pay. If he's not drawing, you're not going to get paid off anyway.
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#24
02-03-2006, 04:38 PM
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Re: Too Perfect Flop -- What line do you take?
I make a standard 2/3 the pot bet. It's what I'm making if I miss the flop so I make it when I hit it. I know what you're saying. Betting this and having villain fold is such a waste but I'd rather win the pot now rather than see a jack fall and this guy hits his 4 outer. YEa checking is the worst of the 4 plays. Even a small bet is bad IMO. you'd be asking for trouble. I like either betting more than the pot or make it look like a standard c-bet.
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#25
02-03-2006, 04:45 PM
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Re: Too Perfect Flop -- What line do you take?
Not having a read on this player it is hard to say what to do. If I am playing with no read I will generally play may hand straight forward. Here I would bet 1/2 pot. Everyone expects you to bet so I would. That doesn't tell him anything other than you are following up with your preflop raise. He may still call here (or maybe even raise) with a pocket pair or AK b/c he thinks his hand is best. It will be hard to get a lot of money in this pot unless he has a big pocket pair thinking he is trapping you.
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