So it's 3 bets to me in the BB with A8o....I cap

[Harv72b]

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I can't reall believe your statement that the poster is "way past" playing something like SSHE strategy or he probably wouldn't be playing in a 3/6 game.

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We all play an SSHE strategy. Some of us just customize it a bit more than others. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[raindust]

Well, I hate to disagree with Bob T since he's a mini god for me and gives me great advice, but I like your play Harv. I tried to run numbers with pokerstove putting maniac on a range of -22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q5s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,86s+,76s,A2o+,K2 o+,Q7o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o

I put button on range of -
22+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J9s+,T9s,A2o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J9o+

I don't know if you would consider these numbers accurate, it's just a wild guess really. You are a just a bit behind buttons range here. I would think the only reason you don't want to be in this hand though is if the button actually has a better read on you than you think and will outplay you postflop, or he is just a straight up calling station. As for people saying wait for a better spot I think you will find better spots no doubt. Definitely take them when they come along, but I don't think you should be passing up OK spots if you can find them or make them. Everyone is free to rip this post apart if you disagree. Here are my made up ranges for pokerstove-

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 32.1997 % 30.50% 01.70% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, A2o+, K2o+, Q7o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 34.8763 % 32.57% 02.30% { 22+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J9s+, T9s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J9o+ }
Hand 3: 32.9240 % 29.99% 02.93% { Ac8d }

[TheHip41]

You have A8o, not AA.

[Harv72b]

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You have A8o, not AA.

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AA never wins.

[HoneyBadger]

i ran the stove too, you're slightly behind, but that was not your point. I still think it costs too much. If you play you should cap. But you should wait for a better spot. This hand will potentially cost you a lot of money

[Jake (The Snake)]

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Man, I really don't like this.

I don't mind the play so much; I just don't like it out of the BB. You're going to have a really hard time figuring out what to do after the flop since you have conflicting goals of wanting to get to showdown and wanting to bet at your opponents. Even in this circumstance, A8o isn't all that good of a hand and I think you'll have a hard time making it pay off out of position.

Given your reads, I shouldn't take long to get a chance to make this play in the CO or button. Even with the extra sb cost, I think you're going to have a better EV with position - acting after your opponents will give you a much better idea which of your two goals to chase.

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Agreed completely. One of the main strengths of your Ace-high here against a maniac is its showdown value without improvement. Being out of position against two players means you are going to realize a very small percentage of that equity.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

i wouldn't.

[Harv72b]

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not sure if you planned on posting the rest of the hand, but im interested in seeing how it played out.

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Pretty anticlimactic. Flop came Q rag rag, bet, call, fold. Turn ace, bet, call. River Q, bet, fold. I win w/o showdown.

[HoneyBadger]

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[brettbrettr]

No.