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Old 02-01-2006, 03:27 PM
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In my opinion, your minimum raise to 1600 preflop is your biggest flaw here. By raising only the minimum, you are giving the SB 2.33-1 on his money to just call. And then if he calls, the BB would be getting 5-1 for his call. Not to mention, there are some very juicy implied odds because of the chips to have.

IMO, you are giving both blinds a great opportunity to call here with very marginal hands and draw out on you. KQ is very likely here, as is 44. I'm not sure as to whether the SB is the type of player to slowplay a set on a raindow flop or top two. He could have a hand like AK, KJ and be leading out with a bet about 1/3 the pot to see where he is at in the hand. If you come over the top here, he may easily fold. I don't think calling is an option here. I believe you should either raise to 5000 or fold. If you raise to 5000, you're opponent should fold if he has a hand weaker than a KQ or 44. If he just calls, you can see what plays out on the turn. If he comes back over the top of you, you can dump the hand and leave yourself with 8400 in chips. That wouldn't seem too bad as you said you were pretty much running over the table.

Let us know what happened and how things played out. [/quot

The whole point was to give odds to the blinds. I wanted some action. I didn't just want to take down the blinds. I felt my hand was too strong. Plus the BB only had 3000 so if he goes all in and wins, big deal. Thats just about your guys "standard raise" anyways. As for the SB, He has a ton of chips that I want. Since I have played with him before, I felt very confident in mixing it up, with position, with the CL, with the best hand preflop. Alot of good "WITHS" there I think to pass up on this opportunity.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Live tourny about 4hrs. ago

Whoops. my post starts with "The whole point.....
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:34 PM
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I decide to raise to 1600. I do this because I am trying to represent a steal and a bully.

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I have shown strength with my raise

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You're trying to have it both ways, representing a steal and showing strength at the same time. I don't like minraising with AA,

FWIW. I also think he could call with AK there, not wanting to inflate the pot out of position against a raiser.

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You're right. I can't rule out AK. He might just want to keep it cheap with this drawing hand preflop. I just put it behind the other hands as his most likely holding, but you're right. I shouldn't totally rule it out.

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If villain flat called in this situation with AK, he is a worse fish than hero.

The miniraise preflop wasn't terrible, but hero needed to get the money in. Raise the flop and push the turn. Hero could also flat call the flop and bet or raise the turn to trap villain a little.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:35 PM
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All very valid points. I as looking to play a big pot with them. I knew a standard raise probably just sweeps the blinds, and I knew I didn't mind seeing a cheap flop with the intention of raising his raise, or betting if he checked. The problem is the K and Q on board. Two cards in the broadway zone. When Tighty whitey bets into me (especially an inticing bet like this one) that veers from his usual style of play. He is not a tricky player, but a vrry solid one. ABC if you will. So to answer your question. Yes I expected him to check call all the way, if he hit something he liked. Remember he is OOP and I can break his huge stack. Two factors in the equation that have check call written all over it.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:37 PM
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When did you fold? Did you fold to the probe bet on the flop?

Brunson's technique of leading into the raiser with a set sure wouldn't work against you.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:44 PM
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First off, live poker seems to me to be much much much different than online. The 3-5x raise leaning torwards the 5x so a JT,KJ and the likes can play back at me just doesn't happen as much. The reason.....I can see you and many times players are scared, timid, unsure, psych themselves out if they feel they have taken too long, and quite frankly aren't very good at it. It is a vastly different game (with the subtly differences but many of them). Not to mention that I have a great read on ALL my opponents and know there capabilities. I annot say the same for them. I hear them talking about the ballgame with each other. Thats great. Too bad you missed when seat 4 called his bet out instead of just placing it out there like he does EVERY time and flips up the nuts after being called. Oh you missed that guy watching the game? A shame. Even better, is the guys watching the game and talking amongst each other. Four of them. Now one of them looks at his hand and can't force a word out to the other guys question or comment. Thankyou for letting me know you have something. So My miniraise goes over ther heads as far as reading into it. All it does for them is give them the chance to play for a relatively cheap price. Which is what I wanted the whole time!
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: Live tourny about 4hrs. ago

Its tough to potentially have AA and just steal the blinds but would you min raise with 1010? I doubt it. Like was stated.. maybe your normal LP raise when folded to and hope to get played back at. I raise the flop and somehow all my money is going in.. hopefully its as a fav but by the looks of it I don;t think so.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:49 PM
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I can see you and many times players are scared, timid, unsure, psych themselves out if they feel they have taken too long, and quite frankly aren't very good at it.

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Like you.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:51 PM
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No. This is what I do. I have complete control over my bodylanguage, mouth, etc....Not worried they'll get a read on me. Plus most of these guys aren' paying enough attention anyways.
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Old 02-01-2006, 04:25 PM
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No. This is what I do. I have complete control over my bodylanguage, mouth, etc....Not worried they'll get a read on me. Plus most of these guys aren' paying enough attention anyways.

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Funny, I had the same stuff going on in a live game I played Monday night. Nice local card room, most everyone knows each other and I'm Nick the new guy, thanks to a fellow 2+2er. Players are looking forward to taking the next smoke break, watching the game in the background, anything but paying attention to the table. Its great when you can raise OOP with T5 and be almost positive everyone folds. Live play is soooooo much better IMO.
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