KK is this Standard

[mornelth]

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This is totally standard. You could raise more PF, but it's kind of pointless. Raising 120 or 150 isn't going to make a difference.

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Wrong, it will make a difference when they whiff the flop and you take it down with a C-bet.

Something to think about: When you are AHEAD and you are likely to be ahead on the next street it is correct (more often than not) to bet as much as you think your opponent will call. The bigger FTOP mistake they make - the better off we are.

It ALSO makes a difference due to IMPLIED POT ODDS you're offering. If I know that you will most likely go to the felt with your big pokets or TPTK type hands - then I'm NOT making a mistake calling 100 raise with more than 1K behind with, say, suited connectors or small pocket pairs. to call 130 raise becomes a bit iffy for SC's, 150 raise - they are not getting good odds and with 200 raise they are barely getting correct odds on their pocket pairs.

I like 150 - 170 raise here.

[Jeff76]

FWIW- I'll often bomb it with a huge bet in the 4/180s just because these guys will call almsot anything after they limp (I still don't understand why people limp and call huge bets, but fold to open raisers) and it makes for a nice pot when I take it down with a c-bet.

Depends on the table though. I am always going to be the maximum I think I can get called.

[AceLuby]

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This is totally standard. You could raise more PF, but it's kind of pointless. Raising 120 or 150 isn't going to make a difference.

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Wrong, it will make a difference when they whiff the flop and you take it down with a C-bet.

Something to think about: When you are AHEAD and you are likely to be ahead on the next street it is correct (more often than not) to bet as much as you think your opponent will call. The bigger FTOP mistake they make - the better off we are.

It ALSO makes a difference due to IMPLIED POT ODDS you're offering. If I know that you will most likely go to the felt with your big pokets or TPTK type hands - then I'm NOT making a mistake calling 100 raise with more than 1K behind with, say, suited connectors or small pocket pairs. to call 130 raise becomes a bit iffy for SC's, 150 raise - they are not getting good odds and with 200 raise they are barely getting correct odds on their pocket pairs.

I like 150 - 170 raise here.

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But the reasoning behind it wasn't what you say above (which I agree with) but instead was to thin the field because KK plays better 2-3 way instead of multiway. I'm just saying that if a player limps, he is calling 150 as often as he's calling 120, so it doesn't make a difference.

Also, my std raise is 4xBB+1BB for every limper in the early rounds (up to 50/100 blinds), so I don't like to get away from that because it disguises the strength of my hand. I just don't think there was anything wrong with this PF or post flop.

[Easy17]

Yeah, I wasnt clear - 120 vs 150 i have found makes a difference if i am first to act. If I have 2 limpers behind (like in the above hand) then I will bet more, say 200. I agree with you if someone limped 20 chips they will call 150 vs 120.

My whole point is to isolate - the line between keeping one weaker hand in the pot and scaring out the whole table can vary. I do vary my opening raises somewhat, and like I said I'll min raise sometimes too, just to vary my play.

[AceLuby]

There is a fine line between thinning the field and betting everyone out. The problem is that button called giving ~3:1 to the 1st limper and 4:1 on the 2nd limper, so I think even a raise to 200 wouldn't thin the field as much as you would like if the button is calling. Whatever, this is splitting hairs. We're probably playing this multiway w/ any raise other than something ridiculous and I don't there is anything wrong w/ the PF play. The c-bet is standard and I expect to get c/r by AJ/2 spades as often as a set. After this flop I'm trying to get as many chips in the pot as possible w/ my overpair.

[CityFan]

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The question for me is WHAT DO YOU DO IF RAISED OR CHECK-RAISED?

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Say, "Thank you God!" and call/raise/reraise and see how many chips you can get in the middle.

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BUT YOUR TOURNAMENT LIFE IS AT RISK!

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Seriously, you think check-raise is a lower pair often enough to call? In my experience it's almost ALWAYS a set

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[HerbieGRD]

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The question for me is WHAT DO YOU DO IF RAISED OR CHECK-RAISED?

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Say, "Thank you God!" and call/raise/reraise and see how many chips you can get in the middle.

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BUT YOUR TOURNAMENT LIFE IS AT RISK!

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Seriously, you think check-raise is a lower pair often enough to call? In my experience it's almost ALWAYS a set

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You have either been running bad, playing cash games, or both.....

[jjpregler]

Yeah, this is Pokerstars, sometimes it doesn't matter how much you raise PF. In the first round you'll still have a multiway pot. I've seen All ins go mulitway there in the first round.

I think you played this hand fine. I agree with the last poster, maybe betting closer to the size of the pot may be better.

[woodguy]

I bet 500, they put you on missed AK the closer you bet it to the size of the pot.

Pot the flop push the turn get called by 99 gg him.

You run into sets or two pair, but not enough to not start chucking chips at the pot with both hands.

Regards,
Woodguy

[siwicki]

half the pot -- 250 would be good