moving up

[fuzz66]

im not posting here to be badgered. i welcome critisism, and i realize my game needs improvement, thats why im here. but is the belittling really necessary?if your going to reply negetivly, include some suggestions dave.

[The DaveR]

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im not posting here to be badgered. i welcome critisism, and i realize my game needs improvement, thats why im here. but is the belittling really necessary?if your going to reply negetivly, include some suggestions dave.

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You had a bad night but, given the questions you're asking and the understanding those questions imply, it's very likely you're not a particularly good player. I'm not being negative. You need a splash of cold water in your face. You're posting because you want someone to fix your game. No one is going to do that. If you want me to help you you should read anything I've posted in Small Stakes over the past 3 years.

[fuzz66]

thank you dave. why wasnt that your first reply. i can handle that.

[The DaveR]

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thank you dave. why wasnt that your first reply. i can handle that.

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If you or anyone else who's new makes a first post that suggests you've lurked for a while or are serious about improving, everyone will show you some respect. If your first post is a thinly veiled bad beat post with little understanding about poker or variance or bankroll management, you'll get something else.

Your first post, in a nutshell, was, "I had a bad night at Foxwoods. I went broke. Should I move up?" What people think when they read that is, "I'm not a winning player. I played 4/8. Bad beats. Should I play 10/20?"

[aes14]

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stupid question. i guess i should learn to read people better so i can muck full houses and nut flushes when i know their beat.

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Or since it is limit you could just call when the raising gets crazy. Is there not cap raising on the river?

You should have $2,400 playing 4/8 LHE. You should not be playing 24 hours sessions no matter who you are.

Also, and I guess lastly, it seems you won 100 BB in one session and you are not suprised at this, however, you lost 200 BB in one session and you are surprised? I think re-reading some of the books, specifically the sections on variance and gambling philosophy may be helpful.

Once again, it seems that live games are softer than even lower stakes interet games. Is it worth moving?

[fuzz66]

ive studied low limit stakes books by skansky and miller and i try to bring thier theories to the table, but more often than not they backfire against stupid players while i tend to do better against better opponants.can you give any reason for this?

[aes14]

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but more often than not they backfire against stupid players while i tend to do better against better opponants.can you give any reason for this?

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Yes, the reason is you don't understand the ideas presented in the book, specifically from what I read, variance and gambling philosophy but if you do not understand those I am making an assumption that you do not understand some of the more complicated plays, theories, and strategies in this book.

My suggestion is to open an account at absolute, FTP, stars, or another site that allows US players. Play .50/1 or 1/2 for an hour or two (not 24) until you learn the methods that are presented in SSHE. EDIT: Or simply move down at foxwoods but you will get more "practice" hands in online and be able to think about and reflect on your hands through hand histories online. The go back to live.

A young man playing last night BERATED a player when he caught an open ended straight draw on the river out of the small blind. The berater had made a pair of Js or Qs on the flop with a low kicker. I immediatley was able to mark the berater as someone who did not understand the game fully. It seems to me that you would call this person "stupid" for catching his 8 outs and defending his small blind.

To be sure, some of your losses are very unlucky but most of us here have lost to quads or better full houses or straight flushes over flushes. It should not flush your entire roll.

Good luck and have fun!

[fuzz66]

i have accounts on about 7 or 8 major sites. ive been playing lowlimit online poker much longer than live.i understand lowlimit theories such as controlling pot odds preflop to induce mistakes by weaker players playing any 2 cards too far and waiting for the turn to show aggression. ive also become pretty good at isolating weak players with strong starting hands.even using weak players when in a hand with good players. i do not play weak kickers and do not berate players for aggressivly playing good draws. theres a reason why poor players are sucking out on me with 1 or 2 outers and at the frequency its been happening lately, i cannot blame it on luck. there has to be other ways i can play against weakies to prevent this. thats why i posted this thread.

[aes14]

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waiting for the turn to show aggression.

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HUGE leak IMO at SSLHE...this could be a major reason your getting "sucked out" and you are not winning as big of pots as you should or not taking your fair share of pots. Again, seems like you are missing some basic concepts. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[argybargy2002]

Not at all. I see people getting tricky on the flop and waititng til the turn to start betting and they miss out on heaps of value.
Lets put it this way, if you bet (or raise) on the flop, average players will call you with any pair (5 outs at best) 2 overcards (6 at best) some kind of werd straight or flush backdoor draw (1.5 outs). Bad players seem to call with anything at all. However even the worst, most attrocious players know to fold the turn, unless they have something that has a chance of winning. Therefore by not betting the flop you are usually leaving a lot of money on the table.

Perhaps you should start betting for value a little more in the 4-8 donkfests.