Crash course in PLO needed - Page 3

BriMc · #21 10-05-2006, 11:05 AM

I only play live. There just aren't enough strong players in the games I play to give me that many bluffing opportunites.

To give you an idea of what I'm talking about, in my last Omaha session, I floped undertrips, UTG bet out pot, MP called, I pushed, UTG folded his OESD, and MP called for 1200 dollars with an OESFD.

UTG always slowplays his big made hands and bets his draws.
MP always calls with draws and raises with made hands.

When am I ever going to bluff this guy?

There are about 2-3 regs in these games I can bluff, and one weak tighty I can push off of everything but the stone cold nuts. I've pushed him off the 2nd and 3rd nuts with nothing at lease 5 times in the last month and he still won't call.

Scuba Chuck · #22 10-05-2006, 01:30 PM

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I only play live. There just aren't enough strong players in the games I play to give me that many bluffing opportunites.

To give you an idea of what I'm talking about, in my last Omaha session, I floped undertrips, UTG bet out pot, MP called, I pushed, UTG folded his OESD, and MP called for 1200 dollars with an OESFD.

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Maybe he's got a read [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

wazz · #23 10-05-2006, 02:16 PM

Sometimes I will chase flushes or straights on paired boards. It's not as bad as some people make out. Obv very dependent on your opponents but you are missing out on some EV if you fold a full wrap with flush draw just because there is a full house possible.

BriMc · #24 10-05-2006, 02:55 PM

His read is, I've got a SFD, I can't fold. The point is that I play in a game with players that rarely think past that first level in omaha, so bluffing opportunities are fewer than in holdem, where these players will less often have a hand they can call with, (basically no pair no draw)

wazz: any thinking player has to know I've got a made boat very often here. even when I don't and I only have naked trips you're still a 66/33 dog, how is calling for your whole 200+ bb stack ever a good decision here?

wazz · #25 10-05-2006, 04:44 PM

Never, but you're missing my point. If the flop comes 3 3 4 with a flush draw and you have 2 5 6 7 and the flush draw, some players will fold to the preflop raiser just because the board pairs. Not only nits.

BriMc · #26 10-05-2006, 04:51 PM

Oh, yeah, thats defintely a playable hand in postion, if PFR is raising from EP and I'm on the button, I'm probably re poting in this spot expecting the PFR to have a naked big pair much of the time. The worst I'm doing is my flush outs are dominated.

Scuba Chuck · #27 10-05-2006, 07:28 PM

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His read is, I've got a SFD, I can't fold. The point is that I play in a game with players that rarely think past that first level in omaha, so bluffing opportunities are fewer than in holdem, where these players will less often have a hand they can call with, (basically no pair no draw)

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I believe you. And thank the lord. But this thought process isn't any different than the players in our hold'em games.

Silent A · #28 10-06-2006, 01:25 PM

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When am I ever going to bluff this guy?

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On the river, when both of you miss your draws and you've been doing the betting and he's been calling. Assuming you're both playing deep enough that you can make a meaningfull bet on the river.

The key to bluffing in Omaha is to know your opponents well enough to recognize when no one has the nuts (or a draw if there are cards to come). Real crazies are relatively rare, and so many players are paranoid about the nuts in this game. They know enough to realize that the nuts is often out there, but they don't realize just how common it is for it to not be out there.

wazz · #29 10-06-2006, 02:38 PM

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The key to bluffing in Omaha is to know your opponents well enough to recognize when no one has the nuts (or a draw if there are cards to come). Real crazies are relatively rare, and so many players are paranoid about the nuts in this game. They know enough to realize that the nuts is often out there, but they don't realize just how common it is for it to not be out there.

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This concept is absolutely key to bluffing in omaha. I was at one point 8-tabling $0.05/$0.10 at stars in a bid to rebuild my roll and found that even on autopilot I could pull off successful bluffs now and then, i.e. they were +EV when it was ridiculously obvious they had nothing.

turnipmonster · #30 10-10-2006, 12:52 PM

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Playing in a rotation game tomorrow, 5/5 blinds, alternating rounds of NLH and PLO.

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bro where is this game?