New law impact on live games. thoughts? - Page 3

GreywolfNYC · #21 10-02-2006, 05:56 PM

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All,

I believe the next couple of years will see juicier live games than ever before at all levels.

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I think you're absolutely right about this.

PokerPrince · #22 10-03-2006, 03:23 AM

I truly hope you're right about that Diablo.

DrewOnTilt · #23 10-04-2006, 01:36 AM

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i hate to say this again, but i think everyone is overreacting a bit here. these sites will undoubtedly find a workaround to allow americans to have an easy way to deposit funds.

For me, the only "doomsday" scenario is where they actually make it illegal to play online poker.

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Jiminy [censored] christmas. For months you people said "there is no way that Party et al will allow this legislation to pass."

Then you said "there is no way that Party et al will walk away from the U.S. market without a fight."

Now you say "they will find workarounds."

WAKE UP.

freewheeler · #24 10-04-2006, 02:18 PM

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a good player joining a game doesn't make the game tougher by the degree that one bad player joining it makes it better.

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This is undoubtedly true - and an important point. But, I think you guys are definitely getting way ahead of yourselves. I really don't think a lot of internet players are gonna switch to live play because of this crazy new legislation. There is too much demand for online action and too little resolve from those who want to ban it. I'm not yet convinced that this is "the beginning of the end" of online poker. As a matter of fact, I kinda doubt it....

freewheeler · #25 10-04-2006, 02:31 PM

Probly the wrong forum for this discussion - but whatever - the thing is our heads are not in the sand, it's just that this legislation was passed in too much of a sneaky bull sh.it way for it to be the final word on the matter. In the short term there will be workarounds and a number of sites that stay up and running. People will move from PP to FT or something if they have to. And in the long term, this issue will surely be debated on its merits instead of the bs piggy-back nonsense. And when that happens, I do believe that common sense + large demand + big bucks will carry the day.

surfdoc · #26 10-04-2006, 04:23 PM

Seems like some overthinking going on here Josh. I can see your logic but don't really agree.

Perhaps I am being to simple minded here but it seems pretty simple. Internet players are much better than live players at all equivalent limits. If internet players start coming to play live the games will on average get tougher. It seems the only real question is who is more likely to find their way to the casino..the solid player or the fish? I can't really answer that for sure but it does seem like the players committed to the game or dependent upon it for income are more likely to go out of their way. Also, the internet fish are not even close to as smelly as the live fish. (they sort of can't be since they bust so much faster)

I honestly think it probably won't matter too much either way and share the viewpoint of others in this thread that it is pretty likely that people will find a way to play online. I do fear to some degree (although I am willing to admit it may be irrational) that the games will get tougher mainly because I can't imagine them getting any easier. The live games are currently so amazingly soft that it seems too good to be true. Mike and I talk about this after every trip amd the conversation is always the same. "Wow, that game was so sick. What kind of drugs are those guys smoking. So, I had a pretty bad run of cards for the first hour and folded alomost every hand. I then pick up aces and raise UTG. It hen goes coldcall, coldcall, etc. and at showdown I get shown J4o. Retarded."

AceCR9 · #27 10-04-2006, 04:44 PM

where are all the higher stakes donkeys gonna go?

they need their fix.

between that and online players making a difficult transition good live players should have their games get BETTER.

surfdoc · #28 10-04-2006, 07:17 PM

Learning to keep track of how many bets are in the pot and how to cut out two stacks of four or say "raise" probably won't take them very long.

Josh W · #29 10-04-2006, 07:38 PM

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Perhaps I am being to simple minded here but it seems pretty simple. Internet players are much better than live players at all equivalent limits.

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See, I'm not sure I agree. Now, don't get too excited yet. OBVIOUSLY a 20-40 online game is tougher than a 20-40 live game. But again, I think that this is because of the multitabling of good players. The bad players are spread over more tables online, and more concentrated live. So, I don't think we have an accurate representation of what the 'average' online player is. All we have is a multi-table-weighted-average.

I guess more than saying "the live games will get better", I'm really saying "we can't be sure that the games will get worse". The only way we could say that is if we knew the table average of all winning and all losing players. Then, we'd also need to know how many are gonna start showing up at casinos.

And, lastly (and I think most importantly and most underestimated-ly), being good online does NOT translate to being good live. You have to deal with a lot more boredom, and lot fewer HUD-stats to rely on, and a lot more physical information (tells) being presented.

We shall see. But I'm not pessimistic at all.

Josh

HOWMANY · #30 10-04-2006, 09:24 PM

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online players making a difficult transition

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The only transition I make from playing live to online is that when I play live I expect to win in a huge majority of my sessions and have most of my winning sessions be way larger than my losing sessions. When everyone that played 20/40 online and higher jumps into 100/200 live games that are a joke compared to what they're used to online the games are not going to somehow get softer.