iGaming News Story On NROG. Info Maybe You Didn't Know About Us.

[ZBTHorton]

ZB,

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While you and many others here now have an intense interest in the legislation issue and have been following same in this forum recently, many of us have been following from the beginning of this forum. As such, we recognize who are the legit posters with insider knowledge, and what characteristics new posters who profess same are likely to have if they are legit. You simply aren't able to recognize those things.

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First of all, don't talk about [censored] you know nothing about. I have been an active reader of this forum for a very very long time. It doesn't require you to post in order to read posts.

Secondly, who made you the expert on this topic?


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If you were able to, you would have noticed that this guy has just been hyping himself, making unsubstantiated claims, and acting as if news he has given is insider info, when in reality it is virtually certain to have been just an edited version of late-breaking news from respectable news sources that cover congress.

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Honestly. I don't [censored] care. His information on the happenings going on haven't been anymore or any less informative than any other source. Every [censored] time ANYTHING happens we see 5 different stories from 5 different sources saying 5 different things.

The Hill posted that he snuck the IG Bill into the DoD bill, are they untrustworthy now? Please let me know, since you are apparently the expert on trustworthy posters. After all, your older than me, and have been reading the forum for a long time. That's a strong resume.

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And far from harming this forum, I am attempting to help it determine who is an individual or organization worthy of our support. To that end, I have asked nrog some questions in the other threads, about which he has not been very forthcoming. In particular, his claims to be using lobbyists and relaying the info from same just hasn't seen a thread of authentication. When he can easily as I noted above just state who his lobbyists so that can be verified.

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Who freaking cares? He gets info, and comes to tell us about it. We take his info, info from PPA, info from The Hill, info from AP, info from Reuters, info from Mr K/Berge/Nate/random dudes and we compile it all. We analyze it to get the most out of it. The more the merrier. He hasn't posted a single thing out of line, and has in fact been right against several "well known" online newspapers and magazines.

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And a larger point here as well, is that many of you younger guys who might be excellent poker players just lack the real world experience and knowledge of hustlers, liars and conmen that many of us older guys have seen a thousand times over. In other words, you are naive suckers. Maybe you think that just isn't possible, but there are plenty of top players who are suckers in other areas of gambling, women or life. And the willingness of yourself and many others here to accept a n00b poster's uncorroborated and self-promoting statements which on occasion have been erroneous (and which he refuses to acknowledge), driven no doubt by your fear of this legislative threat, proves that this is so.

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This is just a ridiculous statement. You plant a judgement on me based on absolutely nothing. You know nothing about me, my political background, my legislation background, my naiveness, my life experience or anything else. You make yourself look like a complete [censored] moron. Keep running your mouth please, even less people will listen.

[ZBTHorton]

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ZB,

He's asked one simple, easy to answer question over and over with no reply.

All of us can have a roll to play in the fight. Some of us bring the word to the people, others like BT make sure that our reps are reputable. Don't see why this is a problem. Everyone and their dog is all over the PPA, but its not alright to get some credentials from this guy?

Tuco.

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So he won't reveal his sources, big deal.

A big % of the articles we've analyzed on this forum for weeks are speaking on "sources" that are not revealed. Are we going to stop reading articles from the AP? Or Reuters? OR some other gaming source? Give me a break. It just doesn't matter.

[dustyn]

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If you were able to, you would have noticed that this guy has just been hyping himself, making unsubstantiated claims, and acting as if news he has given is insider info, when in reality it is virtually certain to have been just an edited version of late-breaking news from respectable news sources that cover congress.

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And you are just trolling this forum hyping yourself as the ultimate authority on legitamacy.

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Agreed. Bluffthis = troll.

[Mason Malmuth]

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Membership is free, but the organization accepts donations. Jakusik is structuring donation rewards packages through which people who make donations upon signing up get credits at poker rooms or online gambling sites at which they are not a member.

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This looks very questionable to me. While I believe that having an affiliate business is fine, I can't help but think if members of Congress discover that the lobbying group is actually a large affiliate they will question its claims to be representing players.

Now I know nothing about NROG, so I may have this wrong. Perhaps someone can fill us in.

Mason

[Leader]

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Membership is free, but the organization accepts donations. Jakusik is structuring donation rewards packages through which people who make donations upon signing up get credits at poker rooms or online gambling sites at which they are not a member.

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This looks very questionable to me. While I believe that having an affiliate business is fine, I can't help but think if members of Congress discover that the lobbying group is actually a large affiliate they will question its claims to be representing players.

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Seems to me that affiliates and players are pretty much in the same boat on this issue. Though I'll grant you that people outside the industry might not understand that.

[Tuco]

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Give me a break. It just doesn't matter.

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Maybe not to you. Some of the things he has said and his organization have stated merit questioning, wheather you think so or not. Simple questions, nothing more nothing less.

I know if I had put myself in his postion I would be ready to answer all this stuff.

Tuco.

[Capitola]

I don't share some people's rabid antagonism toward NROG, but I think it's right to be skeptical. They haven't made a totally positive first impression.

The way I see it, the "non-profit" NROG could generate profit for its owners in a couple different ways. First, their stated primary goal is not lobbying, it's getting the word out for our side about online gambling. That means mass media ad buys, which will be purchased with our donations. The two guys running NROG just happen to own an agency that does ad buys, so who do you think NROG is going to use as their agent? As I understand it, the agency typically gets a percentage of the ad buy as their fee, so that's one way NROG's owners can get a cut of our donations.

Second, there's this affiliate business which sounds potentially shady, as Mason pointed out. If NROG is going to generate revenue as an affiliate, why not just come out and say so? But maybe they're not. Maybe NROG is planning to contract out the affiliate business to an "outside agency" owned by, well, let's guess. NROG funnels business to the affiliate, and the affiliate keeps a lion's share of the profits. Admittedly this is just speculation, and I'm not saying it is their plan, but it could be the plan.

I also find it shady that JayB claims to be employing a major lobbying firm, yet he won't answer the simple question of which lobbying firm they're using. If it turns out he was stretching the truth on this, NROG's credibility goes right in the toilet. If he won't answer, he should at least tell us a very good reason why he won't answer.

Like I said, I don't think we should mindlessly bash NROG, or assume everything they say is BS, but some good old poker player's skepticism is definitely in order here. We've heard a lot of hype so far, now it's time to hear some facts. Not defensiveness, not childish pouting, not more hype. Just the facts.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Leader:

There are really three groups that want to see the legislation fail. They are the Internet cardrooms, the individual players, and the affiliates. The thing is, at least in my opinion, that when a group claims to represent the second group listed (the players) but then turns out to be a member of the third group (the affiliates) I believe it brings their whole purpose into question from the point of view of the members of Congress.

Best wishes,
Mason

[nrog]

Hey guys. To answer Mason's question...it's actually something we talked about with the reporter but was left out of the article. The story was long so I'm sure she was trying to not print every word we spoke. So let me clear it up. NROG is not and will not be any sort of affiliate site. The great sites we're working with will match (up to 100%) the donation given to NROG. We get the donation in full and the donor gets to select a site that he will instantly have credit at. We do not take part of the rake, the site does not pay us a dime. This is not an affiliate program and can never be anything close. We hope that its a great way to reward our donaors with something of value to them. Also...it wont cost NROG a cent, this way every dime that's donated can go to the cause.

Again, thanks for teh support guys. We'll keep updating you when we feel there is something credible to report.

JayB
NROG

[Silent1]

Hi Jay ...

Please keep posting. News updates are always welcome. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]