question about death and money

[thedustbustr]

but this depends on an individual's religious conviction, and more importantly, the degree of their conviction...

[AngusThermopyle]

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there are approximately 16 suicide attempts to every completed suicide.

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Sort of like the odds of getting dealt a pocket pair.

[bisonbison]

but this depends on an individual's religious conviction, and more importantly, the degree of their conviction...

Not really. Whoever you are now will be different in 15 minutes, but at least your brain and body will provide some context and an illusory sense of continuity. When you're dead, that's gone. As your brain shuts down, the components of your reality will detach and wither and disappear. Then you're dead.

The pieces of your personality, your memories, your experience of being embodied, your thoughts, your sense of self and of your history of life is gone.

Whether you're reborn when Jesus comes back, reborn in a new karmic reality or reduced to dust, it's over. The you that you're attached to now, that you love because it's YOU is as irrelevant then as the you that starred in your mama's sonogram.

The hopelessness of depression is a physical and mental disease, and it reduces your perspective to your suffering. There's more to life, there's more to your life, and most people really benefit from getting help.

If there's an afterlife, what's your hurry?
If there's not an afterlife, what's your hurry?

You, the you you are now, only gets one go around.

[thedustbustr]

you are clearly agnostic (or an athiestic fool). if you are indeed agnostic, you admit that it is unquantifiably possible (even if in your own opinion, improbable) that your scientific desription of death is not wholly accurate. i.e., there really are 70 virgins waiting in heaven to be eternally [censored], or whatever your own religious convictions describe.

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who is to say, that our memories are gone? Perhaps the flying spaghetti monster absorbs the memories into his metatentacles and we are reborn as a meatball with memories, bound by eternal savory meatsauce pleasure.

[bisonbison]

you admit that it is unquantifiably possible (even if in your own opinion, improbable) that your scientific desription of death is not wholly accurate. i.e., there really are 70 virgins waiting in heaven to be eternally [censored], or whatever your own religious convictions describe.

Of course it's possible for the afterlife to be anything, but if you realize that the christian and muslim versions of the afterlife (for saved or unsaved people) are eternal, endless and keep going on and on and on, then delaying your entrance to that afterlife by 5 or 20 or 80 years is nothing. The ratio of any lifespan (16 years or 120) to infinity gets all asymptotic towards 0.

you are clearly agnostic (or an athiestic fool).

No, I'm not agnostic or athiest. And athiests aren't fools, they're just unconvinced. If you were smarter, more perceptive or more thoughtful, you might be able to convince them.

But that's unlikely to happen in this lifetime.

[thedustbustr]

you beat me before i edited. not that it mattered,

if I believe the afterlife is eternal pleasure, and my life sucks right now, I don't care if the next 50 years are negligible on an infinite scale. 50 years is 50 years and I'd rather be having eternal sex.

and I do believe athiests are fools. failing to admit the mere possibility of a god or an afterlife or opther metaphysical ideas is foolish. you can't prove them; there's no evidence to support them; but there is no evidence to disprove them, so it's possible. hence the agnostic idealogy.

[bisonbison]

and I do believe athiests are fools. failing to admit the mere possibility of a god or an afterlife or opther metaphysical ideas is foolish. you can't prove them; there's no evidence to support them; but there is no evidence to disprove them, so it's possible. hence the agnostic idealogy.

They admit the possibility, since you can't prove the non-existence of God/a god/gods/karma/maya/tao/xenu/whatever, but in a universe that's 12 billion years old are skeptics supposed to get all jazzed up about beliefs generated by primitive cultures 20-30 centuries ago?

[octop]

If someone wants to kill themself who gives a shyt let them. Ive heard of people who had their whole entire family killed and they commited suicide when they found out, That is a rare situation that I can sympathise with. But when some whiny pussy wants to kill themself for no good reason (like all those NYU students playing roof jump to road kill) I couldnt give a [censored].

[Shenlong]

"and I do believe athiests are fools. failing to admit the mere possibility of a god or an afterlife or opther metaphysical ideas is foolish. you can't prove them; there's no evidence to support them; but there is no evidence to disprove them, so it's possible. hence the agnostic idealogy. "

This would go both ways, would it not? If that's your argument, then everybody is a fool. If I'm a fool for not believing in what I can't disprove, aren't you also a fool for believing in what you can't prove?

Either way, it's kind of pointless to argue it in any case, wouldn't you agree?

[Freakin]

All the other issues aside, I believe that your estate DOES keep it's debt. This is why credit card companies have riders you can get that will pay off balance or suspend payments if you are killed or disabled. It's not a given, it costs extra. And I doubt it pays if you commit suicide.

If you're an old person, it makes a lot of sense to get credit cards with this kind of rider and spoil the crap out of your grandchildren. Your credit is great, and they can't discriminate on the basis of age.

If this is your brilliant plan, why not just get a $5M term life insurance policy before you off yourself? You have just as good of a chance of seeing that money as you do of having your debt erased.