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Old 09-09-2006, 04:05 PM
Kaeser Kaeser is offline
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Default Re: Who Are The Most Overrated Poker Players? (and Why?)

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I used to think Phil Laak and Antonio were overrated, but seeing them on HSP they're actually pretty good.

Overrated : pretty much anyone who's won a big tourney, since they'll get "rated" far more than they deserve for the win, which is 99% luck. Agree with Daniel N, Scotty, also Gus Hansen, Carlos Mortensen, Alan Goehring, Joe Hachem, etc.

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I don't get it, winning a tournament counts for nothing but watching them play a couple dozen hands at a cash game allows you to properly evaluate their performance?

In game with large variance factor (such as poker) I think it's a mistake to let any single performance influence your opinion of a player.
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Old 09-09-2006, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: Who Are The Most Overrated Poker Players? (and Why?)

Over rated - jennifer harmon, howard lederer, chris moneymaker, fossilman, the grinder

not over rated - phil helmuth, daniel negraneau, doyle brunson and son, ted forrest, chip reese, allen cunningham, johhny chan, the mouth. all excellent players in either tourns or cash games.

great players with great table disposition - ted forrest. no one else is close.

and doesn't matter if they are overated - jennifer tilly, evyln ng, Cyndy Violette. All beautiful women and ok players, but not great. but who cares.

most underated players - Kathy Liebert (she deserves much more respect). best female player.
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: Who Are The Most Overrated Poker Players? (and Why?)

Annie Duke is easily the most overrated.
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: Who Are The Most Overrated Poker Players? (and Why?)

Iamastud,

How can Jennifer Harman be overrated?

Sometimes an issue is incredibly simple: Spread a HUGE cash game. Let everybody know it is there. If you think you are the best, then come and play. Anyone with the guts and the bankroll is welcome. She plays. She has for years. LOTS of top players don't. What else does she need to prove?

Almost all poker players play at the highest stakes they can afford based on their skill. She plays in the biggest game in the world.

Listing her as overrated is insulting, IMO.
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: Who Are The Most Overrated Poker Players? (and Why?)

Evelyn Ng, as best I can tell her only major poker accomplishments are being a hot asian chick and knowing how to do fancy chip tricks.
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Who Are The Most Overrated Poker Players? (and Why?)

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Evelyn Ng, as best I can tell her only major poker accomplishments are being a hot asian chick and knowing how to do fancy chip tricks.

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hey, she made a WPT Ladies Night final table!
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:59 PM
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Pretty much anyone who's ever appeared on TV for tournament-related reasons

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So is your final table gonna be fon ESPN? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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No. But if it did, I would probably be overrated if I won, except for the people who thought I was a lucky joke. Then again, that's kind of how it is now
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Old 09-09-2006, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: Who Are The Most Overrated Poker Players? (and Why?)

Why is Jeniffer Tilly #1? I don't think anyone has rated her in the first place, everybody knows why is she famous and gets on TV on poker related shows. She's hot, (was) a famous actress and that's that. I think the biggest compliment that she has ever gotten was that she is a competent player, and I do agree with that. So she's not overrated at all, and you can't blame her for wanting as much TV coverage as possible.
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Old 09-09-2006, 07:09 PM
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Whoa whoa whoa buddy, slow down, ALan Goehring, Hachem overrated? That's a little much. Goehring cleared like $5 million in tourney winnings and is one of the winniest players on the WPT. He has shown that over and over again.

Hachem is no fluke, he's a very good poker player with strong results at this year's WSOP.
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Old 09-09-2006, 07:14 PM
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great players with great table disposition - ted forrest. no one else is close.

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Ivey?
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