AJo preflop

[DrModern]

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You've got a pretty big equity edge here in all likelihood.

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Here's an experiment to show the value of checking: Give the limpers a range you think is reasonable, then go stove vs. that range. Your edge is actually very thin here.

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Against 5 random hands you've got 24% equity. I don't think assigning random hands is totally unreasonable with 5 limpers. The only way to really do this accurately would be to have stats on all the limpers and estimate their ranges. Just doing top 40% is unfair, and they'd likely raise with the better of those hands.

[Vern]

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You've got a pretty big equity edge here in all likelihood.

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Here's an experiment to show the value of checking: Give the limpers a range you think is reasonable, then go stove vs. that range. Your edge is actually very thin here.

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I did that while I was posting. I got the edge as SB and the three limpers 16.8%, (67%), BB with AJo 20% and the random hand of the poster as 13%.

[Xhad]

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Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, SB folds, Hero... ?

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6:1. That's barely enough for your pair outs if they're always good and no one ever c/r's. This is an easy fold.

[Vern]

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You've got a pretty big equity edge here in all likelihood.

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Here's an experiment to show the value of checking: Give the limpers a range you think is reasonable, then go stove vs. that range. Your edge is actually very thin here.

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Against 5 random hands you've got 24% equity. I don't think assigning random hands is totally unreasonable with 5 limpers. The only way to really do this accurately would be to have stats on all the limpers and estimate their ranges. Just doing top 40% is unfair, and they'd likely raise with the better of those hands.

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I assumed the limpers had two suited cards, pairs, two broadway cards and then deleted AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AKo, and AQs. I added K9o, Q9o, J9o, and T9o as well as all Axo for the SB. The poster was Random minus AA, KK, QQ, AKS, AKo, and AQs. My actual numbers were:

SB 15.461%
BB 20.175%
Limpers ~16.850%
Poster 13.810%

[Vern]

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Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, SB folds, Hero... ?

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6:1. That's barely enough for your pair outs if they're always good and no one ever c/r's. This is an easy fold.

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You missed, the only way you have odd to call this is no one has a king and you have not been reverse dominated with either your A or J to give you 6 clean outs. Any J but the Jc will give lots of draws. If the table was really weak/tight I might bet here, but I won't call. I don't think I ever make a bluff c/r here at this level.

[DrModern]

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You've got a pretty big equity edge here in all likelihood.

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Here's an experiment to show the value of checking: Give the limpers a range you think is reasonable, then go stove vs. that range. Your edge is actually very thin here.

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Against 5 random hands you've got 24% equity. I don't think assigning random hands is totally unreasonable with 5 limpers. The only way to really do this accurately would be to have stats on all the limpers and estimate their ranges. Just doing top 40% is unfair, and they'd likely raise with the better of those hands.

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I assumed the limpers had two suited cards, pairs, two broadway cards and then deleted AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AKo, and AQs. I added K9o, Q9o, J9o, and T9o as well as all Axo for the SB. The poster was Random minus AA, KK, QQ, AKS, AKo, and AQs. My actual numbers were:

SB 15.461%
BB 20.175%
Limpers ~16.850%
Poster 13.810%

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Thank God for someone less lazy than I. 3.3% is not a huge edge, I grant. I'm willing to go with checking this.

[Manup]

read SSH..exact situation is in the book. Skalansky states that you lose value by not raising here. He also went on to say that it's a judgement call and if it were ATs it would be a no brainer raise. Since AJo is the hand, you can make an arguement either way.

[Vern]

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read SSH..exact situation is in the book. Skalansky states that you lose value by not raising here. He also went on to say that it's a judgement call and if it were ATs it would be a no brainer raise. Since AJo is the hand, you can make an arguement either way.

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Personally, I think the multiway pot and being oop after the flop is why I don't raise. Against a limper and the SB, I think a raise is more in order because the AJ's edge is much larger and it is much more likely to win against 2 opponents than 5.

[RICHI8]

Check is fine. Definitely raise AJs. You can even raise ATs in this situation.

[Quester]

I've started checking AJo in situations like this. If there were fewer players in, I'd raise.

Here since MP1 posted, I would consider a raise.