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Old 07-18-2006, 09:26 AM
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Ramirez is very good plus he has played really good defense since coming to the Cubs. Yes, he should hustle more, but there aren't 5 3B better than him. It will be interesting what they do with Pierre because he's been very good lately. Lee, Ramirez, Cedeno, Barrett, and Jones should all be kept. I think a lot depends on if the Cubs can sign a big named LF such as Carlos Lee. I think Murton's probably a 4th Outfielder. He could platoon in RF with Jones who usually struggles vs. the Lefties. Jones took a lot of crap early mostly because he's a similar player to Patterson, but the fact is that Jones has been the best hitter the Cubs have this year. I'd like to see the Cubs give Theriot all of the ABs at 2B, because they aren't keeping Walker. We should just trade Walker now and be done with it. I like the way our pitching is shaping up. They have run Marshall out there every 5th day which is going to pay dividends next year. Marmol looks good, so they need to keep running him out there every 5th day in the second half. Zambrano is probably the best pitcher in the league right now. They should deal Maddux to let him make a playoff run and bring up Rich Hill and run him out there every 5th day. Contrary to probably everyone else, I do think Prior will come back and be a fine pitcher - he's just had a really bad run of luck colliding with Giles and then taking the line drive off of his elbow. When he came up, everyone talked about how good his mechanics are so I'm betting he will be fine starting in 07. We have the makings of a pretty good bullpen, but Dempster needs to prove he can get it straightened out in the second half. Erye and Howry have been everything we thought they would. The other guys down there have been mediocre but that's pretty standard in this day and age.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:31 AM
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but there aren't 5 3B better than him

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There are 5 3B better than him in the National League alone.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:32 AM
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The line-up is actually pretty decent--Murton, Pierre, Jones, Ramirez, Cedeno, Walker, Lee, and Barrett is solid for the NL.

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Yeah, that would be fine if Dusty actually played those guys. Neifi Perez seems to find his way in the lineup at all times, as do other idiots replacing actual prospects.

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or if the entire outfield didn't suck eggs.

essentially, the cubs are stuck with prior. he simply has to be healthy, they can't get much that would compare to the upside that is him 3 years ago.

basically, get enlightened management and managers and spend some of the ludicrous amounts of cash made on the Cubs on the STUDS and not jacque [censored] jones. get beltran, get pedro, whatever. take only the best guys on the market for more than a couple mil a year. Note how this "decent lineup" has a -.120 OBP or something ridiculous outside of DLee. Sadly the farm looks rather barren as well for impact players. Lots of high-upside pitching and zero position talent. Even the patterson trade looks stupid.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:47 AM
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but there aren't 5 3B better than him

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There are 5 3B better than him in the National League alone.

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Ramirez is currently 9th in OPS for NL 3rd baseman, 11th in OBP, 3rd in HR, 8th in RBI, and 11th in BA. To say that he might be the 6th best 3rd baseman is being nice.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:52 AM
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To say that he might be the 6th best 3rd baseman is being nice.

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Yes, I was trying to be nice.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:57 AM
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but there aren't 5 3B better than him

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uhhhh, no.
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:03 AM
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I'd take Wright, Rolen, or Jones. Who else?
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:04 AM
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but there aren't 5 3B better than him

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uhhhh, no.

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Wright, Rolen, Cabrera, Chipper, Atkins, and Zimmerman. I even threw one extra in for you.
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:05 AM
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After further thought, he probably isn't top 5 in MLB, but def. Top 10.
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Old 07-18-2006, 10:05 AM
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I'd take ARam over Atkins and Zimmerman
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