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#21
07-18-2006, 11:29 AM
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Re: Borg 80 Hand
with what hands do you cap when 3 bet by a tightish button?
what does he think of your pre/postflop play? preflop i dont think is a mistake. since you called, my standard line is to c'r and possibly c'r again on turn if 3bet (depending on my read of him - i.e. will he 3 bet Ahigh in this spot like some would- and the turn card) i dont often 4 bet in this spot when my c'r is 3bet but it is defiantely a valid line b/c that narrows your holdings in his mind far more than a c'r. the downside is that if he has AK, it boats the pot and he'll likely peel the turn and force you to bet an unimproved river (which wont be the correct play some of the time) which now, due to pot size, he may just look you up (rarely though i admit). what is more interesting though is if you c'r and he just calls. what is your plan for the turn? bet-call? bet-3bet (any hand he waits to the turn to raise is not likely folding to a 3 bet)? check-call? the question of betting that turn depends on whether you think he feels 6 outs are good. if you have convinced him they are not (unlikely given the little action) he is correct to see the river. so this hand can easily turn into a 3/4 barrell hand. depending on how the action goes though, it's one of those rare hands where it is definately correct to put in a good deal of action b/c either you have a small pair/set or a crazy bluff or exactly 86...and from his perspective, that doesn't look good for unimproved overcards (Even AK) with a river bet. basically, id prepare to take this hand away without a showdown given the very favorable flop and smallish range he can put you on when you play back hard. Barron 
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#22
07-18-2006, 01:23 PM
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Re: Borg 80 Hand
jeff,
i checkraise and lead this hand. the only other line that i think is as good is checkcall, then checkraise any turn. both of these lines will induce turn folds quite a bit, with the second one to a greater extent. it also only costs you one extra small bet.
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#23
07-18-2006, 01:31 PM
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Re: Borg 80 Hand
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jeff, i checkraise and lead this hand. the only other line that i think is as good is checkcall, then checkraise any turn. both of these lines will induce turn folds quite a bit, with the second one to a greater extent. it also only costs you one extra small bet. [/ QUOTE ] Don't you think the first line is too "standard" now to induce folds from a lot of hands?
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#24
07-18-2006, 01:47 PM
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Re: Borg 80 Hand
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[ QUOTE ] jeff, i checkraise and lead this hand. the only other line that i think is as good is checkcall, then checkraise any turn. both of these lines will induce turn folds quite a bit, with the second one to a greater extent. it also only costs you one extra small bet. [/ QUOTE ] Don't you think the first line is too "standard" now to induce folds from a lot of hands? [/ QUOTE ] yes, i do. if we want to fold out ace high we need to raise the turn, but i play my sets, 2pr, overpair hands the same way most of the time so why vary it with my draws?
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#27
07-18-2006, 03:29 PM
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Re: Borg 80 Hand
i dont like leading on the turn. to me that seems like a very vulnerable spot to be raised and now you've gotta hit your hand. he could have a very wide range of hands from the button, but still even if you dont make your hand on the turn and fire out, you still have 8 high, and he has shown marginal aggression thus far. i think a flop c/r is good and then a turn check/fold if you dont hit and he bets into you.
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#29
07-18-2006, 03:36 PM
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Re: Borg 80 Hand
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Find me someone who fold AK on a let's say 7 5 2 2 rainbow when you c/r the turn online ? I know that live is an other story but still I would think that a lot of them would still call down and look you up... [/ QUOTE ] We are hoping he has A9 or KJ, not AK.
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#30
07-18-2006, 03:36 PM
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Re: Borg 80 Hand
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what do you think of c/r the flop, call a 3rd and then c/r the turn representing a set? then if he calls lead out the river no matter. [/ QUOTE ] I find it hard to believe that investing this much into a bluff is as profitable as simply trying to check/call and make a straight or a pair.
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